Black America And Skin Complexion

 

 

Black America And Skin Complexion

 

 

By Chance Kelsey, Chancellorfiles.com

Chance: The old controversy of dark skin and light skin among black Americans and black people living in other countries just won’t disappear. It is still around but it is more undercover wherefore, in the past it was more publicly acknowledged, and more publicly accepted that light skin black were more favored and admired and dark skin blacks were distained, hated, looked down upon, and un-favored by society.

The light skin dark skin controversy came from the days of slavery when light skin blacks were often allowed to work in the white slave master’s house —  and dark skin blacks were kept in the fields working hard under the hot sun. Also, caramel brown skin blacks were often kept in the field with dark skin blacks too. But sometimes certain caramel brown skin blacks were allowed to work in the house. But a light skin black person was the preference of the white slave master over all blacks who were not light skinned.   

   
I feel that Dark skin blacks have it harder than light skin blacks in general. Even though in America whether you are light skin, dark skin, or caramel skin (brown skin meaning not too dark and not too light meaning in the middle) you are still considered black.

Chance: Being light-skin myself I have had many negative encounters with dark skin blacks, and I did nothing to offend them. They tried to start fights by being rude and negative towards me and all of this was totally unprovoked. I have had dark skin black females find me attractive and it was a great complement to me and I appreciated it a lot. I feel that many dark skin and caramel skin blacks wish they were light skin. I base this upon behavioral patterns and things I have heard them say.

CARAMEL SKINNED BLACK AMERICANS ARE NOT LIGHT SKINNED

Example I see certain Caramel skin black Americans saying — that they are light skinned. But by the standards that black and white Americans used in the past — to determine who is light skinned caramel skin blacks are not considered light skinned. Now it is also a fact, that in Africa Caramel brown skin blacks are considered light skin.

They are considered light skin because their skin is lighter than dark skin blacks. So it is true that basically among the black race anywhere on this planet Carmel brown skin is light skin. In America what has happened is that white and black Americans have added skin tones that are lighter than caramel brown skin tone the black American population, and this is why — some people don’t consider caramel brown skin light skin.

When there are people with yellow, yellow red, beige, and white skin tones among African Americans (blacks) these people are considered light skin because they are lighter. Therefore, caramel brown skin is called caramel brown skin to distinguish it from skin tones that are lighter. If these lighter skin tones where not among the African American population then caramel brown skin would be considered officially light skin in among African Americans in America.

DARK SKIN SLAVES

When black slaves were first brought to America they were dark skinned not yellow light skin. But the white slave owners practiced rape, interracial marriages, and produced mix blooded wedlock children this caused a lighter group of blacks to be born. So the color–ism started to manifest among blacks as a result of this new mixed blooded group.

DARK SKIN BLACKS AND EMOTIONAL SUFFERING

It had to be very difficult mentally and emotionally on blacks who were dark skinned during the time of slavery and after. The mental and emotional scars still carried today by many dark skin blacks. This partly explain there dislike of light skin blacks combined with the superiority attitude that certain light skin blacks carry feeling that they are superior to both dark skin blacks and caramel skin blacks.

WHITE SLAVE OWNERS FEARED A BIG STRONG DARK SKIN BLACK MAN

During the times of slavery once in a while a big strong dark skin black man would go off — and become violent towards the whites on the plantation. He was tired of being mistreated and abused by everyday living on the plantation. He was tired of the humiliation of being called a NIGGER, and verbal abuse at the hands of white plantation workers. He was tired of being looked down upon by blacks who had positions of authority to watch over him and the other slaves.

The mental and emotional abuse made him finally snap and become violent, he attacked a white worker, a black who had a position of authority over him, the white master, etc this big strong dark black man would hit punch or use an object as a weapon against those he felt hurt him mentally, emotionally, or physically. He knew that he would be killed or punished severely but he did not care because death was better than the everyday indignities that he suffered. Big strong black men when they went off sometimes even killed whites and even their own slave masters. So white slave owners feared them and did not want them near the main house with out permission.

EVERYDAY STRUGGLE

Among blacks this color-ism has tore a hole in black America but the color problem is not as bad as it use to be among blacks. Every since the success of the 1960s civil rights movement blacks both light, caramel, and dark have made great gains in America. But yes, at the same time this skin tone distinction still exist among blacks in a subtle way.

Blacks throw skin tone insults at each other and certain blacks even identify themselves by a racial epithet called nigger. This type of behavioral pattern come from the days of slavery when whites called blacks nigger and made fun of black skin and now blacks self impose these negative words and racial epithet on themselves — because they have been psychologically condition to do so.

This psychological conditioning has been passed on generation after generation among blacks with extremely negative results example publicly calling each other niggers in front of the members of other racial groups. This is a form of self imposed inferiority and a type of self hate that often is done unconsciously.

BLACKS SHOULD FORM THEIR OWN OPINIONS ABOUT THEMSELVES 

Blacks should create their own opinion about themselves when it comes to black society at large. And stop accepting the opinions of what whites said about them from the times of slavery up to the present day. If blacks agree with some negative opinion that whites have said about them then at least blacks can say — that after careful consideration we agree with that particular opinion that white have about us regarding this particular matter.

Or we disagree with whites on this matter; the point being is blacks need to make their own opinions and observations about themselves independent of the opinions of whites and other racial groups. Whites and other racial group don’t let blacks determine how they feel about themselves. Forming opinions about themselves will be the first step towards ending the skin tone class system among themselves.

By Chance Kelsey (Chancellor)

 

Written during the 21st century by Chance


  1. Yo chance you are right the skin color thing is still with black people. You are also correct in saying that it is not as bad as it used to be
    All I can say is Thank god for that but we still have a long way to go. Mark

  2. Yeah we do have a long way to go still and sometimes Mark just like the older generation of hebrews who came out of slavery and died in the desert. A generation of blacks from older generations have to die in order for the future generation to free.

    Their opinions will die with them also and this older generational dying applies to blacks, whites, and all other racial groups.

    BY Chance

  3. Yo Chance I hate to bring things like this up. But this is something I never hear bloggers talking about. I think before we can compete with the world, we love, value, and respect ourselves. I read a lot of autobiographies by black people and this is something that you hear in a lot of them. Although I am darkskin myself I remember that it was not uncommon for everyone to make fun of whoever was the darkest.Ive seen black people act out in ways that clearly say to me that we have a problem with our skin color. But its deeper than that we have a problem with our inner selves we dont know who he are. Our identity has shaped Or (mishaped) by the oppression of a totally unfair and bogus system. It is my oppinion that on many different levels black folk have turned on themselves. Black men have been shown the back of fates hand in a harsher way than any other group in this country. Check this out chance I remember thier was a darkskin baby at our house one time and I remember some guy saying thats a black baby, it was not said in a flattering way. I could tell you a whole bunch of other things and you could do the same but the bottom line is this any behavior by any black person that degrades us needs to be eliminated. I mean how can you reach the highest levels if you hate the color of your skin. Mark Bey

  4. Mark I am very grateful to you because you talk about issues that many black people find shameful. I also talk about these issues but most blacks don’t want to because it is too embarrassing and I unbderstand that. But we got to talk about these things in the open meaning public by way of blogs, television, radio interviews and topics, etc we must talk about these things.

    I am a light shinned black man and looking at all the hell, hatred, insults, rudeness, and negativity directed towards dark skinned blacks at the hands of other blacks I have to say I am fortunate. Because if I was dark skinned I would be real angry, unhappy, and wanting to hurt somebody, I can not imagine the emotional torment many dark skinned blacks go through.

    I know all racial groups have the skin tone debate of dark skin light skin among them. But blacks have it too the point of self hate, many of us blacks want to beat, punch, kill and murder unjustifiably any black person, always trying to start fights with other blacks, never wanting blacks to progress and always trying to hold them back like a crab, hitting black women, etc ceratin blacks seem to have some type of characteristic in that comes across as some type of genetically based animal characteristic that makes blacks want to kill and destroy and make miserable anyone who is blacks.

    THE THOUGHTFUL ONES has pondered this question what is this characteristic? Even AFRICAN chief who sold fellow blacks from conquered tribes had this characteristic and many blacks who don’t live in AFRICA but live in other countries have this characteristic (wanting to destroy, betray, hurt physically, mentally, and emotionally other black people, a deep hatred of fellow blacks,etc} we sa black people have to address this and asked where does this characteristic come from? Even in other countries that have blacks the blacks have this characteristic. We have to discover its origins. Because it definitely is a characteristic white racism can not explain all of this negative behavior and niether can poverty.

    We as a blacks need to discover this characteristic’s origin we really do man and whether it be genetically based, culturally based, a combination, or due to some form discrimination, etc the point is we need to discover the origins of this thing becaus eit is a monster. That has wrecked and continue to destroy blacks all over the world.

    Being a light-skinned black man I need to help as much as I can because if I to some degree benefit from being light skinned. Then I need to give back to the black communties of the world and Ineed to also even be thankful to the whites and native American blackfoot indians which I am mixed with.

    BY CHANCE

  5. Well chance the things is every black person in this country and the world should be proud of who they are if your almost white or yellow or even if your as dark as the night sky.It dosent matter we need to have an inherent respect for ourselves. Its kind of hard to respect others if you hate the color of your skin, or texture of your hair. Chance I also hope they you are not trying to distinguish you and other lighter people a seperate cultuaral entities, because most people who are black have a similar or shared expirience. Mark Bey

  6. Mark said: Chance I also hope they you are not trying to distinguish you and other lighter people a seperate cultuaral entities, because most people who are black have a similar or shared expirience. Mark Bey

    Chance responded: Mark I was debating with myself about whether or not to write about my skin complexion why? Because from previous encounters with non-light skin black have always been negative when skin tone came up in a conversation or when I write about it and they or some other read it. I mentioned it hoping that any reader would automatically know that I was just sharing my opinion and feelings. Mark I have noticd that when I talk with whites about the various issues that there is no major problem. They don’t seem to have an hang up about skin tone as much as blacks. I don’t which raceial group dominated which, I care about who is more open to converse and talk about certain social issues.

    A light skin, caramel skin, or dark skin black person can talk to me about skin tone or anything and I don’t get offended or upset and unhappy. I am in general more mature in those areas because I feel a person should have a right to speak freely. The white race lets their people speak freely and the black race does not allow their people to speak freely.There are many other differences also between whites and blacks in which whites are the better of the two when it comes to these things.

    Blacks are too pathologically unfree mentally, emotionally, and intellectually and this creates problems for those blacks like my self who are more free internally. We are not compatiable because one is free like whites and others are not so those who are not will always try to keep those who are free internally from progressing. So maybe distance is a good thing for blacks are just as developed as whites. I don’t want to compromise with blacks on this freedom thing because it would limit my intellectual growth and limit the intellectual growth of all of those blacks like me. Limited intellectual growth makes a person inferior intellectually, blacks focus on skin tone because they are obsessed with it, some blacks are jealous of other blacks with certain skin tones, they feel inferior, etc I don’t feel this way I try to remain free mentally.

    I LET A PERSON SPEAK THE WAY THEY WANT ABOUT WHAT EVER TOPIC THEIR OPINION IS THEIR OPINION.

    My feeling about blacks is if some blacks want to break away from from the black race then let them that is their right it does not bother me. I have more improtant things to worry about. Blacks have too many psychic scars to deal with and they as a collective are not dealing with it but they try to hold other blacks down like a crab. Blacks like me are dealing with our problems and psychic scars.

    BY CHANCE

  7. Yo Chance you are right about whites bieng more free intellectually. But that is partially because they have not been degraded in the media like us. Please remember all of those steppin fetchin and Sambo images, they were specifically making fun of the darker skin people. With me you have a right to say whatever it is you want to say. But you cannot forget this, darker blacks , brown and lighter skinned ones are for the most part related, in are families you have all kinds of colors even going back to the days of slavery, and when thier was more race prejudice against blacks. Even when we were giving it to each other. I have noticed to that want you get to a certain point with some black folk and you make good point that black folk cant refute we dont want to dialog or debate, as for you not wanting to mention your skin color everyone can see it in your profile. When you talk about certain blacks wanting to break off I can personally understand this because we are backwards and it appears to me that too many of us are content to accept this. But this is how I see it, if Malcolm, Martin, Frederick Douglass Duboise, and so many others had split off where the hell would we be. Although I truly do understand your frustration with dumb behavior that people try to pretend isnt dumb. We blog back and forth on this several times. So I believe you know exactly what Im talking about. If you bring up the treatment of black men towards black women, brothers will not touch that shit to save their lives. If you bring up facts that are obvious such as black men killing a much higher percentage of other black men, than white men to thier race, folks ( and smart folks at that) will try to pretend that its not that bad. I think this type of bullshit is what bothers you, however if people who can trandcend the ordinary bullshit like you continue to tune in elsewhere we are in deep trouble. What Im trying to get across to all of us is this if we make a concious effort to try to do at least a little bit better as a group this would have a gigantic effect on all of us. Anyway chance I got nothing but love for you, you are a terrific human bieng, you try to be honest, and I get the impression that its not personal with you its about the truth. As it is with me. Anyway please keep the faith it may take a long time but we will improve. Blessings. Mark.

    P.S. Dont ever hold your tongue or thoughts to save my feelings even if you think it will piss me off, so fucking what peace.

  8. Yes Mark you are right I want to talk about thinhgs that are true and sometimes shameful and painful to talk about. We as blacks need to have these types of convesations because our communities are being destroyed by our collective mis-behavior. And there are not that many people talk to about these subjects, and you don’t have to worry about me going looking else where mark I alright where I am with my own people.

    I will continue to put out knowledge that can be used to fill minds and help others and you alright with me MARK you can talk to me any way you feel will get your poit across and don’t hold back BRUH.

    IT IS ALL GOOD!

    BY CHANCE

  9. Anstine

    Yes, I am trying to grasp the concept of caramel color black people not being light skinned. Can I please have an example of a celebrity who is light skinned, and a celebrity who is caramel colored?

  10. Hello Anstine

    Thank you for coming by, Caramel skin black Americans are really and truly light skin blacks. When black Africans speak of light skin they are not talking about the light skin mulatto looking black Americans like El Debarge, Terrence Howard, Al. B. Sure, and Vanessa Williams. They are talking about Caramel skin blacks like Denzel Washington, Billy D. Williams, and Gabrielle Union. Caramel skin is really light skin among the black race on this planet. The Mulatto light skin blacks of America who have the yellow, red, and white looking skin are really another racial group that belongs separate from both white and black Americans. So in America the light skin mulatto yellow blacks are told that they are black so, they replaced the Caramel skin blacks as the light skinned ones of the black race in America. This is why I said that Caramel skin blacks are not light skin by America’s standard. Because there is a group that is lighter, but Caramel skin blacks really are light skin blacks.

    Wesley snipes is a dark skin black, Denzel Washington is a Caramel skin Black, and El Debarge and Terrence Howard are light skin (yellow) mulatto blacks.

    Please come by again Anstine.

  11. Denise

    Who says that black people need the white man’s seal of approval regarding black skin tone. Light skinned black tones , are not limited to the “high yellow” skin tones.

  12. Chance

    @ Denise,

    Denise said: Who says that black people need the white man’s seal of approval regarding black skin tone. Light skinned black tones , are not limited to the “high yellow” skin tones.

    Response: That is right, who needs white or black approval when it comes to determining how one identifies ethnicity wise. Mulattoes need not black or white approval.

  13. I believe most pessimist responses to this site answer under the auspices that Chance still believes himself to be “White” or “Black”. We are “MULATTOS”, people!:

    BLACK + WHITE = “GRAY”

    Once the mix is made, we’re “A New Creature”!

  14. Beigette

    You tell ‘em, Kahlil!

    “High Yellow” IS the only light skin color. Caramel skin is just lighter than black.

  15. Denise

    14.# Beigette Says:
    Friday, August 24, 2007 at

    You tell ‘em, Kahlil!

    “High Yellow” IS the only light skin color. Caramel skin is just lighter than black.

    DENISE SAID:
    ACTUALLY, WHITE IS THE ONLY LIGHT SKIN COLOR, SOMETHING THAT YOU WEAR WITH PRIDE. I AM A PERSON WHO IS TECHNICALLY MIXED RACE,BUT IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO MADE ME IDENTIFY WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS. LIKE I SAID IN ANOTHER DISCUSSION, COLORISM EXISTS IN THE MIXED RACE COMMUNITY AND THAT IS WHY US CARAMEL COLORED MULTI-ETHNIC PEOPLE LIKE ME, MEL.B, AND SAMANTHA MUMBA, HAVE HAD SO MANY ISSUE WITH “HIGH YELLOW”, MULTI-RACIAL PERSONS.

    IT IS THE MIXED RACE GIRLS WITH THE BRIGHT SKIN AND THE STRAIGHT HAIR AND NARROW NOSES, WHO ARE EMBRACED MORE IN THIS COUNTRY. I AM A MIXED RACE AFRICAN AMERICAN, WHO WILL CONTINUE TO BE APART OF THIS BLOG UNTIL CHANCE SAYS, I CANNOT BE ON HERE.

    I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO SEE ME DISAPPEAR FROM THIS BLOG, BECAUSE I AM ALWAYS STRIKING A NERVE. IF I INTIMIDATE ANYONE ON HERE, OH WELL,COME WITH SOME STRONGER POINTS TO MATCH MIND. GOOD DAY.

  16. God Bless You, Beigette! ~;D

  17. Chance (at Denise)

    @ Denise

    Denise said: IT IS THE MIXED RACE GIRLS WITH THE BRIGHT SKIN AND THE STRAIGHT HAIR AND NARROW NOSES, WHO ARE EMBRACED MORE IN THIS COUNTRY. I AM A MIXED RACE AFRICAN AMERICAN, WHO WILL CONTINUE TO BE APART OF THIS BLOG UNTIL CHANCE SAYS, I CANNOT BE ON HERE.

    I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO SEE ME DISAPPEAR FROM THIS BLOG, BECAUSE I AM ALWAYS STRIKING A NERVE. IF I INTIMIDATE ANYONE ON HERE, OH WELL,COME WITH SOME STRONGER POINTS TO MATCH MIND. GOOD DAY.

    My Response (Chance): I welcome commenters,and their different points of view because it also, helps me learn and grow too. Something could be said that I was not familiar with, or I see it in a different light because a commenter showed me something different. Various opinions helps one create a stronger intellectual analytical ability, because you are analyzing various view points.
    I appreciate all of you commenters here at clfiles (chancellorfiles) because you all help me intellectually too. You say things that make me think, and ponder. I can add some of the things you all say to my own ideas, and improve my opinions about certain things.

    Thank you, all for visiting this website/blog, your comments are appreciated.

  18. The Chef

    PEOPLE!:

    It’s time we SEP-A-RATE!!!
    If we were all TRULY the same race, we wouldn’t even HAVE colorism!

    Colorism is merely about two COMPLETELY different races [Black & Mixed-Race] whom have been FORCED upon/into each other.

    Colorism is about us FIGHTING to SEPARATE [!] so that we may resume and advance our differing tribal ways!

    Yes, People, there was a time when it was HEALTHY for the two races to join forces!
    But, guess what? >> MISSION ACCOMPLISED!

    The sooner we separte, the sooner Colorism ends…PERIOD!

    Love,

    The Chef

    p.s. what da HELL is a “light-skinned black”?!?!?!; and where da HELL are the “black-skinned lights”!?!?!?! ~;D

  19. blancsurblanc

    White America & Skin Complexion:

    @Chance,

    NEWSFLASH! Colorism amongst White Americans [i.e. Dark-Skinned Whites vs. Light-skinned Whites]is EQUALLY as vicious & spills over
    into Black America & Mixed America as well
    [and vice-versa]!!!

    The difference is that Whites typically don’t publicize their shame whereas Blacks
    bitch & moan about EVERY offence!

  20. Chance

    @ blancsurblanc

    Yeah, but whites are don’t have this problem as much as blacks and whites find it attractive to have a tan or some olive color like certain Italians.

  21. blancsurblanc

    It’s more about health than physicality…

  22. LaKair

    Whoa I just b/c confused i consider my self a beautiful dark skinned woman but i’m not that dark; to chance i’m caramel skinned, but i consider it dark skinned. I never once felt inferior b/c cause of my skin when it comes to light skinned blacks. I love my skin! But i have heard other dark skinned people say that they wish they had light skin. And i can’t lie and say that i don’t know why. Those who i’ve heard say this have been taunted by so called friends, strangers and even family members about how black their skin is. they’ve been taught to belive that black skin is unattractive. Me personally, i grew up getting positive comments about complextion. My light skinned and dark skinned aunts and uncles would say ” you have beautiful skin like your grandma (their mother)”, so i grew up knowing how beautiful black skin is, all of it whether dark, caramel, or light. Thats what’s important. Loving the skin your in.

  23. Chance

    @ Lakair,

    Good for you!!

  24. tamika

    All this light skin, dark skin thing is stupid I’ve been light and dark skinned,but when I was light I wanted to tan,because I just found that dark skin was more attractive(no offense to light skinned people)but now I’m of medium complexion and loving it,But I find light skin people today aren’t as light as how the house slaves in slavery days were,so alot of them wouldn’t be allowed in the masters kitchen,which is why I don’t understand the racial issue between blacks.

  25. Chance

    [quote comment="25740"]All this light skin, dark skin thing is stupid I’ve been light and dark skinned,but when I was light I wanted to tan,because I just found that dark skin was more attractive(no offense to light skinned people)but now I’m of medium complexion and loving it,But I find light skin people today aren’t as light as how the house slaves in slavery days were,so alot of them wouldn’t be allowed in the masters kitchen,which is why I don’t understand the racial issue between blacks.[/quote]

    My response: Many of those in the kitchen were dark skin and caramel brown skin too, and some where light skin mulattoes. Many light skins (mulattoes) worked in the field as field negroes this is well documented. Skin tone was not a major qualification all the time to get a job in the house it all depended on the salve masters.

  26. AP

    Denise,

    When reading your post — I just wanted
    to add the following brief commentary.

    My guess is that you meant to say that
    you ‘identify’ with ‘Blacks’ and the
    reason I that feel so is as follow:

    1) The African-American (AA) ETHNIC group
    NOT a RACIAL group – but actually, is
    a very specific ETHNIC grouping (just
    like any other ETHNIC group such as
    the Irish or Swedes or Itlians, etc.)

    2) A person is either a part of an ETHNIC
    group or they are not — and thus, there
    is no-such thing as simply ‘identifying’
    with any particular or given Ethnic group.

    It is RACIAL groups to which a person can
    choose to ‘identify’ or to not ‘identify’.

    An ETHNIC group, on the other hand, is a group
    into which a person must by born (it is not
    related to one’s choice of “identification”)

    3) Although many people who are members of the
    African-American (AA) ETHNIC are placed into
    the category of “black” and may even refer to
    themselves as having a “black” socio-political
    “identity” — … — it really should always
    be remembered that the ‘Black American’ (BA)
    RACIAL group and the African-American (AA)
    ETHNIC group are NOT the same groups; they
    are NOT synonumous terms and the terms
    should NOT be used interchanegably.

    For more information on the difference
    between the BAs & the AAs — please
    feel free to visit the following link:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331

    Hope you find this information
    to be of help and / or interest.

    Please have a great day.

  27. crissa

    lets just start off by saying i am a black woman who is married to a white man.we have 2 daughters together who are 2 and 3.last summer one of my family members had a barbeque,in which me my husband and our daughters attended,at this barbeque everyone was outside playing and having a good time,and my cousin picks up my youngest daughter and says “oh no girl you need to go inside so you dont get dark,if i had yo color i would not be in the sun trying to get dark.”..my youngest who is only 2 years old does not care about getting dark..and even if she does its ok..she will still be beautiful.i notice that a lot of black people are very colorstuck,they think that light skin is more beautiful..when i was pregnant with my oldest everyone said they hoped she had light skin and pretty hair..thats so stupid.just because they are mixed its like people just prefer them over other children..to me they are just “my babies” and i wouldnt care if they were born looking like me (medium toned skin and curly black hair)..either way they would still be beautiful.

  28. Joseph

    lol, stay in to keep from getting dark? Your cuz can dream but I hope you won’t be keeping the children locked up in the house so that they won’t get tanned. It is interesting though, I have not experienced black people acting like that, hoping to have a light-skinned relative. I know that there are blacks who adore the mulatto look, many people do and that’s not really a problem, but what you described is kinda wierd.




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