Affirmative Action Must Go

 

 

 

Chance writes: Affirmative action should be removed, it also has out lived its usefulness.

Affirmative Action Must Go

 

Chance Kelsey, Chancellorfiles.com

Chance: Affirmative action has helped many non-whites (people of color) gain federal, state, and city jobs for the past 30 years now. But now I feel that affirmative action has run its course and it is time for it to be eliminated. One of the major reasons it should be eliminated is because of the lower moral behavior of non-whites, out of all of the these non-white racial groups the black Americans have the lowest moral standards as a collective employee affirmative action group.

So blacks in particular are one of the major reasons why affirmative action should be eliminated — because too many blacks engage in giving bad service to customers and people they are suppose to help. Blacks bring too many negative attitudes, poor work ethnics, more negative personal problems, un-cooperative, sexual misconduct, violence, un-controllable anger, hatred of other blacks, black inferiority complex feelings of not been able to compete with whites and other non-white racial groups, etc to what ever affirmative action job they are working at. Now not all blacks who work at jobs that they got through affirmative action are this way, but too many black affirmative action employees are. These black employees mistreat fellow blacks whom they service as customers worse than they treat members of other ethnic groups. Many of these black employees have lower IQs, and if they were not given affirmative action points based upon race they would not score high enough on entry level tests to get hired.

The national black IQ of America is 85, and 85 is low. When blacks have some high school education up to the level of the 10th or 12th grade their general IQ is 85. It is a fact, that not all blacks have IQs of 85 some have lower IQs from 84 on down to the 70s. Blacks who go to the universities (college) and graduate their IQs go up to 100. Now not all black college graduates have IQs of 100 some have IQs in the 90s, and IQs in the 90s are mediocre. Some black high school students have IQs past 100 and some black college graduates have IQs past 100 after they graduate. These IQs could be 103, 107, 111, 115, 121, 130, 135, and above. But when you hire blacks and give them affirmative action and their IQs are not a minimum of 100 this often leads to trouble and incompetence.

Chance: The major problem with blacks is really not their low or high IQs it is the lower moral standards that they live by. They bring their lower moral standards to the work place – and this creates most of the problems that plague Black America in the work place. Whether it be government federal, State, or city jobs blacks bring too much suffering to these jobs, and the people who suffer the most at the hands of these affirmative action black employees are blacks themselves. Blacks are often treated better by employees from other racial groups. Blacks seem to have some kind of characteristic in them that they inherited from their African forefathers — that makes them mistreat fellow blacks.

It was this same characteristic that helped put blacks in slavery — during the times of the slave trade black African Kings would sell blacks from conquered tribes to white Europeans. The reality is that affirmative action has out lived it usefulness, it did a great job at trying to remedy some of the past racial injustices in America. Black pathologies and the Lack of a moral sense that too many blacks show at affirmative action jobs has created a lot of suffering in black America.

If it was not for affirmative action many employers, government, federal, and city jobs would not hire a lot of blacks. So the unemployment rate for blacks would be higher. Other non-white employees from other non-white racial groups have negative trouble makers in their racial groups who create problems at work also, but blacks by far have the most. Affirmative action has gone bad because it has been around too long. 

  By Chance Kelsey (Chancellor)

 Written during the 21st century by Chance


  1. Yo Chance I dont know what it is with you and this genitics thing, it seems to be your religion to prove that blacks are inferior and dont get me wrong I despise black dysfuntion and the nonsensne that is going on with us currently as much as you do. However when you talk about low morals please dont forget all of the crimes that whites have committed against everyone on the planet. Also how moral was it for whites to treat black people in such a manner that was illegal, immoral and mean spirited. Affirmative action is a remedy for all of the things that white people did to us the economically impacted our existince, I think that black folk need to get thier act together but fair is fair and until this country fully treats us as human biengs and thier is real equality thier should be affirmative action. Also america should admit the full extent of her crimes against blacks then we can talk about ending affirmative action.

    America set up a system which allowed black men some of them completely innocent to be murdured. This issue has never been addressed honestly, america dosent get to kill black folk without any consequenses especially when black people taxes are helping to pay the sheriffs salary who then fill completely impowered to violate the rights of of black folks that is totally unacceptable. Until this little tidbit is addressed honestly the call to dismantle affirmative action will always be wanting in my oppion.

  2. Mark, My studies in genetic science is a way for me to learn what makes us as humans tick. There are many things that make us humans tick genetics is just one of the many tickers that’s all. Also, I recommend many blacks start studying the subject too it will help them understand themselves better. What I said about blacks and IQs is well verified this is not something new it’s common knowledge.

    Affirmative action did serve a purpose but like I said blacks who get affirmative action jobs often treat blacks’ customers worse than other members of other racial groups. This makes the black customers miserable and it makes them want white employees to be the majority. Yes, whites have committed a lot of injustices against blacks and other non-whites, and all of the benefits and programs that come to non-whites and blacks are just other means that help compensate for the injustices that whites have committed against blacks and non-whites. But as for my knowledge about the IQs of blacks now how does this make me a person who believes blacks are inferior? All racial groups in America have general collective IQs not just blacks.

    Many blacks criticize but have never studied the subjects that they criticize others for speaking about. I am a visionary Mark and I predict that my studies in genetics will become acceptable in the future by America and the world in general. The subject of genetics will be accepted in America publicly someday guaranteed. Anyone who has studied IQs knows that my information is accurate.

    Lower moral standards by fellow blacks continue to create more suffering among blacks than white racism. Whites will pay someday for their trouble making but blacks will also pay for this unprovoked black on black negativity.

    Thanks for coming by mark and if you have any questions I will answer them.

    By Chance

  3. P. Anthony Allen

    Chance, Chance, Chance….Whats needed is someone, “anyone”, to show me is how Affirmative Action has held back progress in the Black community. These following questions are the questions that should be answered if one really cares about the plight, and the future of Blacks, in America with concern to AA;

    1. How many Blacks and their communities have failed where the fault can be “directly” attributed to AA?

    2. What percentage of Blacks have actually used AA policies to further their opportunities and/or careers, and, which Blacks benefited the most?

    3. Who has lost out on opportunities because of AA? Of those who lost out, were their losses so substantial whereas it caused a hardship which left them in the same condition that most Blacks were in before AA policies were used?

    Furthermore, if you really believe Blacks “genenically” have lower IQ’s than whites, (which I don’t buy into) should’nt that in itself qualify as a “handicap”? Seriously, what you’re saying is; “Blacks have lower IQ’s, thus Blacks should not be afforded the same opportunities as those with higher IQ’s”.

    The facts are that AA policies have “not” caused any hardships to anyone, whereas past discriminatory practices have had lasting effects, many of those effects still visable to this day. Again, I must challenge you to “prove” that AA policies have been economically detrimental to the blacks or the black community as a whole. Mind you, I am not asking how it has effected any other race….just the “Black Community”!

    Show me what black person “lost-out” because AA was used, and what was lost.

  4. Hello P. Anthony

    Glad to see you come by the intellectual mad house (Chancellorfiles), yes we meet here you and I the way we did at other blogs. I enjoyed reading your commentary comment you proposed some good questions Sir P. Anthony and I will answer your question and see what comes about.

    P. Anthony said: Chance, Chance, Chance….Whats needed is someone, “anyone”, to show me is how Affirmative Action has held back progress in the Black community. These following questions are the questions that should be answered if one really cares about the plight, and the future of Blacks, in America with concern to AA;

    P. Anthony asked: How many Blacks and their communities have failed where the fault can be “directly” attributed to AA?

    Chance: Reality is no blacks have failed due to Affirmative action – Affirmative action has helped blacks and non-whites progress. And it has helped level the playing field against white racism in America. Affirmative action was a good thing.

    P. Anthony asked: What percentage of Blacks have actually used AA policies to further their opportunities and/or careers, and, which Blacks benefited the most?

    Chance: I would say that the middle class blacks have benefited the most from Affirmative action. I would also say the poorer blacks have benefited the least from affirmative action. But when affirmative action first can out the majority of the blacks who are in their 40s and 50s today — and benefit from affirmative action were once poor. But often in todays time many poor blacks and blacks living in the ghettoes of America do not have as many members benefiting from Affirmative action.

    P. Anthony asked: Who has lost out on opportunities because of AA? Of those who lost out, were their losses so substantial whereas it caused a hardship which left them in the same condition that most Blacks were in before AA policies were used?

    Chance: The reality is blacks and non-white racial groups have benefited from affirmative action greatly. White people claim they have been hurt by affirmative action because blacks and non-whites are given priority sometimes over whites due to affirmative action. But as a collective racial group whites have not been totally hurt by affirmative action – whites still currently are the majority in America they are still treated special, better, and favored by society at large. Whites get better treatment than blacks and non-white Americans in the economic, political, educational, and societal (society) spheres. Affirmative action is practiced mainly in the federal, state government, local city government, and educational levels. It is not practiced in the private sector unless a company wants to participate in a government funded affirmative program.

    Blacks and non-whites were worst off when affirmative action was not in place. Whites were better off because they had no real competition. But whites are still doing well and swell in America; they are not hurting at the hands of affirmative action like they claim. Whites do well in the private sector. The anger and resentment that whites have against affirmative action is nothing more than a type of jealousy because they know that affirmative helps even the playing field. Blacks more than any racial group has suffered the worst in America on a continuous basis. Whites were not as worst off as non-whites and blacks.

    P.Anthony asked: Furthermore, if you really believe Blacks “genenically” have lower IQ’s than whites, (which I don’t buy into) should’nt that in itself qualify as a “handicap”? Seriously, what you’re saying is; “Blacks have lower IQ’s, thus Blacks should not be afforded the same opportunities as those with higher IQ’s”.

    Chance: It is already a known fact that IQ is partly genetically based culture and environment explains the rest about IQ differences. Northern Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans have higher IQs than white the pacific islanders and other Asians have lower is than whites) have high IQs than whites. What matters most is the way you use your intellect combined with what level of education you have and not so much anything else. No P. Anthony it does not qualify as a handicap because it is partly due to the collective racial group’s genetic, educational, environmental, and cultural habits. Affirmative action was created to remedy the injustices of the external force called racism which whites directed towards blacks. So because of white racism affirmative action was justified.

    P. Anthony asked: The facts are that AA policies have “not” caused any hardships to anyone, whereas past discriminatory practices have had lasting effects, many of those effects still visable to this day. Again, I must challenge you to “prove” that AA policies have been economically detrimental to the blacks or the black community as a whole. Mind you, I am not asking how it has effected any other race….just the “Black Community”!

    Chance: Affirmative action is economically and finally beneficial to blacks and non-whites but all I am saying is blacks disproportionally for their numbers mistreat and give bad attitudes and service to other fellow blacks. And this is the reason many blacks drive to areas were whites are to get better service from white employees. Affirmative action keeps morally un-qualified blacks employed so they can cause more problems for blacks.
    Show me what black person “lost-out” because AA was used, and what was lost.

    Chance: Many blacks benefit from Affirmative action and don’t loose out because losing out is not an option for affirmative action beneficiaries. Affirmative action is all about trying to continue remedying past and present racism and injustices. Blacks need to also raise the collective moral standard of black America because this lower moral standard is what helping keep black America down.

    Chance: the reality is simple I don’t really dislike Affirmative action but I dislike the negative customer service and mistreatment of blacks who got their jobs through affirmative action give to other blacks.

    Please come by again P. Anthony you asked some good questions.
    take care,

    By Chance

  5. I am in a state of shock, to think that someone of your character, would publish such a Racist essay as this…Not all blacks and not all whites are the same…I.Q. is a Cultural thing based on how White people are raised and not a determining factor on everyones culture diversity…You ought to have your mouth washed out for such low class racial remarks…What makes you think that the World revolves around White America…
    In fact Black Americans are less violent and just as ambitious as every one else…You only have to turn on the TV and you can see all the Violence White America exibits…If I’m not mistaken some of the most sickening acts of violence are not done by Blacks .
    I am totally opposed to affirmative action but for other reasons you have failed to discuss. White America to this date has specifically and systematically kept people of Color from high level of achievement and it has been going on since the early days of the development of America, starting with the destruction of the Indian nations and its’ people..If you want my own personal opinion I see no difference in the level of Achievements between the two Races .Its’ Unfair and indifferent for one, Who claims to be an Expert, to publish such Anti- Racial Remarks…You need to get your act together

    Augustine/Comeaux

  6. Chance

    At Augustine/Comeaux,

    AC said: I am in a state of shock, to think that someone of your character, would publish such a Racist essay as this…Not all blacks and not all whites are the same…I.Q. is a Cultural thing based on how White people are raised and not a determining factor on everyones culture diversity…You ought to have your mouth washed out for such low class racial remarks…What makes you think that the World revolves around White America…

    My Response: IQ is based upon culture, environment, genetics, and how much nurturing receives as a child, not just culture alone. The world revolves around all cultures but at the same time America and the world are under a European cultural influence just look around you. So too some degree the world still revolves around whites in an economic and westernization sense. But every major racial group has a period of where the world revolves around them. Whites are just one racial group out of many, and I did not mean to offend anyone or blacks.

    AC said: In fact Black Americans are less violent and just as ambitious as every one else…You only have to turn on the TV and you can see all the Violence White America exibits…If I’m not mistaken some of the most sickening acts of violence are not done by Blacks.

    My response: In general it is a known fact that blacks are more violent than whites, just look at television and society at large and all over the planet. But both have violence and negativity. Currently whites do more serial killings but blacks commit more violent crimes than whites, and serial killer are few when compared to black violent criminals.

    AC said: I am totally opposed to affirmative action but for other reasons you have failed to discuss. White America to this date has specifically and systematically kept people of Color from high level of achievement and it has been going on since the early days of the development of America, starting with the destruction of the Indian nations and its’ people..If you want my own personal opinion I see no difference in the level of Achievements between the two Races .Its’ Unfair and indifferent for one, Who claims to be an Expert, to publish such Anti- Racial Remarks…You need to get your act together.

    My response: I have other reasons for opposing affirmative action too, but like I said one is because blacks with affirmative action jobs often mistreat black customers who they are suppose to serve, this is a fact. White racism by it self has nothing to do with blacks mistreatment of blacks. Yes many whites have oppressed, and mistreated people of color this is true, but at the same time people of color from various ethnic groups have mistreated members of their own ethnic groups, and at the same time people of color have progressed very far in America. Like I said the goal of this essay was to point out how affirmative action jobs that blacks get also has opened up the doorway many black affirmative action employees to mistreat blacks. So what is the use of keeping affirmative action hiring? Affirmative action has done a lot of good it helped create a black middle class, and helped other non white ethnic groups create their own middle classes also.

    Thank you, for your input good to hear from you again Augustine Comeaux.

  7. The Chef

    Cher Monsieur Augustine:

    I, as a Créole Louisiane, myself, am disappointed that you are wasting your good genes on defending Blacks!
    YOU as a descendant of The Esteemed Famille Saint Augustine Parish should be focusing on FRENCH & CREOLE issues.
    The Blacks have their OWN battles and their OWN ways of fighting them.

  8. Keita

    I agree chance once again. You would expect blacks to look out for one another but they end as a substitute for the oppressor.

    I see with black cops and blacks in managerial and hiring positions. They take on the mind of whites. They are just as offensive, cruel, and dirty as the whites.

    I am for getting rid of it, so whites can finally show themselves like they did with that bill that effected the school integration.

  9. Chance

    @ Commenter 8,

    commenter 8 said: I agree chance once again. You would expect blacks to look out for one another but they end as a substitute for the oppressor.

    I see with black cops and blacks in managerial and hiring positions. They take on the mind of whites. They are just as offensive, cruel, and dirty as the whites.

    Unfortunately many blacks practice what psychologist call displacement, displacement — separation of emotion from its real object and redirection of the intense emotion toward someone or something that is less offensive or threatening in order to avoid dealing directly with what is frightening or threatening (powerful enough to inflict pain and suffering). Many blacks are unhappy with white America but take their anger out on fellow blacks and mixed race folks (people who are part black and mixed with other ethnicities). Displacement is imply when you are angry at someone or people and you want to get revenge and punish them but you can’t because they are too powerful so you take your anger out on a lesser threating person or group.

  10. Elle

    I don’t think this is a great reason to be against affirmative action. But I am in agreement that no one should receive affirmative action (except for women).

  11. Chance

    @ Elle,

    Elle said: I don’t think this is a great reason to be against affirmative action. But I am in agreement that no one should receive affirmative action (except for women).

    And, mulattoes too because they have suffered also right?

  12. Elle

    @ Chance,

    I thought mulattos wanted nothing to do with affirmative action.

  13. Chance

    who said that!!!

  14. Elle

    the title of the piece is “Affirmative Action Must Go”

  15. Elle

    That means mulattos don’t want affirmative action.

  16. Mike

    Interesting discussion. Seperate AA into 2 parts
    1. goverment jobs and others like those
    2. competitive professional positions

    For type 1 jobs, AA is debateable. Maybe they help, maybe no longer.

    But for type 2 jobs, AA certainly seems self defeating. I for one would probably never use a Black accountant, lawyer dentist or doctor unless I had exceptional proof that they are good. I would naturally assume they aren’t as good as the other races because they got in under AA rather then merit. So even excellent Black professionals would have a cloud hanging over their heads. On the other hand, if Black professionals got no AA treatment, and even if they were discriminated against, I would know they must be better then others to get where they are, so I would seek them out.

  17. Chance

    Yeah you made so interesting points Mike, there possibly are people out there who also feel the same way.

  18. james shelton

    My God…, if this is not racist behaviour i dont know what it is. how can one people hate black people so much.

  19. lucy

    i officially hate this guy. what an idoit. we have all been talking about you and your website at my work place.

    you are an idiot racist bigot. the fact that people buy into your rubbish is shameful. you must hate your black parent to be doing this.

    Racist views are the result of insecurity.

    This selfdestructive path you are choosen will lead to an unpleasant reality.

    oh by the way am white mix black from kenyan

    you really hate africans.

  20. lucy's mother

    Research statistics can be and are frequently skewed to meet an agenda. One can statistically prove about anything one wishes by selecting what data will be used and what information or factors will not be included in the results. Need I point you to news articles of bogus research within the pharmaceutical industry for example?
    You unfavorably compare the successes of whites and Asians with those of American blacks without weighing in on significant disparities between these groups. Asians in America immigrated as free people, and the more recent arrivals included many who were already well educated and who had business experience in their countries of origin. There is NO comparison to the experience of American blacks which is unique. Why not compare the progress of American blacks in the past sixty years with the progress of any other group in that same period of time on an even basis? You might actually come to admire and respect the determination that has seen black Americans make tremendous strides in both education and economic circumstances, even with the degree of covert and subtle discrimination still present. Blacks are represented in every major profession in America: physicians, attorneys, rocket scientists (if you will), educators, legislators,
    Presidential candidates, humanitarians, etc.
    Statistics can provide only a piece of the picture, and observation and logic can be negated by same if numbers, not people, are your life. So, even though I am repeating a previous post, consider this, Chance:
    The history of American Blacks is one of triumph over the worst of starts. Yes, it is, and that history is testimony to the courage and determination of Blacks to persevere and overcome the ugliest of legacies.
    It took our European forefathers 100 years, the agricultural knowlege of Native Americans, and the labor of slaves and indentured servents to establish a viable society in America. When the Pilgrims arrived, they came with supplies, tools and the materials necessary to set up housekeeping.
    In 1865, slaves became free men and women, leaving whatever humble abode they had called home with little more than the clothes on their backs. They had no cow to milk, no chickens for eggs and meat, no roof above their heads. They were mostly illiterate, having been denied the right to learn to read and write. Most had no destination, no one waiting for their arrival. Many had no knowledge of the whereabouts of their sisters, brothers, sons, daughters who had been sold to other masters. Many were never to reunite. Once free, they were still beholding to white men and women for what jobs they could find, once again working at subsistence level.
    From this stark beginning, Black Americans began to build a society out of bare cloth with a will that is admirable to the nth degree. By 1920, a thriving self-sustained Black Community in Tulsa, Oklahoma known as Black Wall Street was the envy of many Whites. Under the guise of a race riot, it was destroyed by the KKK in concert with local authorities. Not until the 1960’s with Civil Rights legislation finally enacted were any measureable opportunities available for Blacks to obtain higher education or attend a public school with adequate materials, qualified teachers. Everything American blacks have and are accomplishing is in a very short time span of our American history from the rudimentary beginnings of opportunity.
    Yes, Chance, that is a unique history, one which my husband and children are proud to own

  21. lucy's mother

    Research statistics can be and are frequently skewed to meet an agenda. One can statistically prove about anything one wishes by selecting what data will be used and what information or factors will not be included in the results. Need I point you to news articles of bogus research within the pharmaceutical industry for example?
    You unfavorably compare the successes of whites and Asians with those of American blacks without weighing in on significant disparities between these groups. Asians in America immigrated as free people, and the more recent arrivals included many who were already well educated and who had business experience in their countries of origin. There is NO comparison to the experience of American blacks which is unique. Why not compare the progress of American blacks in the past sixty years with the progress of any other group in that same period of time on an even basis? You might actually come to admire and respect the determination that has seen black Americans make tremendous strides in both education and economic circumstances, even with the degree of covert and subtle discrimination still present. Blacks are represented in every major profession in America: physicians, attorneys, rocket scientists (if you will), educators, legislators,
    Presidential candidates, humanitarians, etc.
    Statistics can provide only a piece of the picture, and observation and logic can be negated by same if numbers, not people, are your life. So, even though I am repeating a previous post, consider this, Chance:
    The history of American Blacks is one of triumph over the worst of starts. Yes, it is, and that history is testimony to the courage and determination of Blacks to persevere and overcome the ugliest of legacies.
    It took our European forefathers 100 years, the agricultural knowlege of Native Americans, and the labor of slaves and indentured servents to establish a viable society in America. When the Pilgrims arrived, they came with supplies, tools and the materials necessary to set up housekeeping.
    In 1865, slaves became free men and women, leaving whatever humble abode they had called home with little more than the clothes on their backs. They had no cow to milk, no chickens for eggs and meat, no roof above their heads. They were mostly illiterate, having been denied the right to learn to read and write. Most had no destination, no one waiting for their arrival. Many had no knowledge of the whereabouts of their sisters, brothers, sons, daughters who had been sold to other masters. Many were never to reunite. Once free, they were still beholding to white men and women for what jobs they could find, once again working at subsistence level.
    From this stark beginning, Black Americans began to build a society out of bare cloth with a will that is admirable to the nth degree. By 1920, a thriving self-sustained Black Community in Tulsa, Oklahoma known as Black Wall Street was the envy of many Whites. Under the guise of a race riot, it was destroyed by the KKK in concert with local authorities. Not until the 1960’s with Civil Rights legislation finally enacted were any measureable opportunities available for Blacks to obtain higher education or attend a public school with adequate materials, qualified teachers. Everything American blacks have and are accomplishing is in a very short time span of our American history from the rudimentary beginnings of opportunity.
    Yes, Chance, that is a unique history, one which my husband and children are proud to own

  22. Melody

    My God…, if this is not racist behaviour i dont know what it is. how can one people hate black people so much.

    James, are you really just waking up to how mixed people hate blacks? Chance is very adept at overlooking white immorality, sloveness, drug use etc.

  23. james shelton

    Much is made of the present Black IQ score of 85. White racists use it to show why they feel that Black societies, including ancient ones, have accomplished little. Not only is the Black IQ the same as it has always been, but it is irremediable, as IQ is, so the White racists say, 80% genetic.There are some serious problems with this analysis.

    First of all, one must understand just what an IQ score really is. An IQ score is merely a relative score, and as scores rise, the tests are regularly re-normed at the 100 average here in the US. Therefore, the 20 point IQ rise has been completely masked.
    Whites scored 100 and Blacks scored 85 in 1925. In 1995, after a 20 point rise in both groups, Whites scored 100 and Blacks scored 85 once again. Do you follow? The regular renorming 8of the tests reduced the gains to invisibility. Further, a score of 85 is not necessarily “low” and a score of 115 or even 130 is not necessarily “high”. With average set at 100, the scores work like this: 66% of the group will score between 85 and 115 – 15% of the group will score between 70 and 85 and another 15% will score between 115 and 130. 2% will score below 70 and another 2% will score above 130.

    Suppose we ran into some aliens on another planet who had managed to design their own IQ tests. Suppose they were 10 times more intelligent on average than we are. Suppose they normed their tests exactly the way we do above.

    The aliens who scored in the lowest 2% might still be, say, seven times smarter than the average human! If they gave their tests to us, we might receive an average score of 30, or below the lowest 1% of their society. On their test, that would be considered seriously retarded. Do you follow?

    Now suppose we went to another planet and found another population. Suppose this group of aliens was not very intelligent yet. Suppose some of the brighter ones had set up their own IQ test with the score breakdown above and normed for their population.

    We might find that the upper 2% of their population, scoring over 130 on the test, actually has an IQ equivalent to humans of 85. 85% of us would be considered “gifted” on their test. Understand?

    The tests are relative. Set at 100, 15% of any population will score 70-85. Whether or not that is “slow” depends on the intelligence level of the population itself.

    Second, Blacks of all ages, not just Black children, are reducing the Black-White IQ gap. Between 1972-2002, Black IQ at age 24 rose from 79 to 84.5, a gain of 5.5 points. A similar gain was seen amongst Black children. Even racists Arthur Jensen and Phillipe Rushton agree that the Black-White gap is not immutable. To continue to harp on this theme in face of contradictory evidence is either ignorance or White racism, in your case mix race (mulattus) racism.

    White racists are in agreement that the Black average IQ of 85 is “low”.

    To this they ascribe all sorts of Black problems and pathologies.

    White racists take it further and say that an average IQ of 70-85 (depending on the region) prevents Blacks from creating decent and civilized societies anywhere on Earth.

    Are the studies of no value that show African-Americans or Asians doing differently than so-called “white” Americans on standardized IQ tests? That is, is the work of people like Herrnstein and Murray worthless? No. It is valuable data, but it is also explosive data because of our racist political history. Such data will inevitably be exploited by white supremacists, twisted for their own political goals and used not to improve racial relations in America but to encourage further racial strife. Such data consists mainly of correlations. And while correlations should convince orthodox empirical scientists of nothing, to the racist researcher, correlations are the heart and soul of their work. The furor that The Bell Curve caused died down quickly because there occurred an ongoing saga which usurped its political and entertainment value. In fact, Herrnstein and Murray, in chapter after chapter, call for social reforms to improve the status of blacks in America. They may be disingenuous calls, but they are nevertheless inconsistent with the notion that the social condition of blacks in America is due to genetic factors

    It is possible that some day we may be able to look at people of different races and see them as human beings without losing sight of what is special and unique about racial or ethnic membership. We do not need to be colourblind, nor should we strive to ignore racial differences. But they should be seen in a proper perspective: significant in forming us, but irrelevant to our status as human beings capable of both the highest moral and intellectual behaviour and of bestial depravity and moronic incompetence.
    Thank God I never fully internalized the idea that most, if any, of my school mates were more intelligent than me. But, I did assume that everyone outside my family did. That’s why I never asked for help in school. I wrongly thought that asking for help amounted to an admission that black people were, in fact, inferior, as was periodically pronounced from the ivory towers of academia and other corners of the race conscious IQ industry. Fortunately, I was able to flip that negativity into motivation. But when I read about the remarks made on your site, I winced at the thought of how many black youngsters might continue to internalize the destructive but persistent message that they are inherently less intelligent. And I wonder if they too will turn that negativity into motivation.

    But there is a long history of racist pseudo-science about black intelligence. In 1855, the US secretary of state, John C Calhoun, argued that “Scientific confirmation is proof of the necessity of slavery. The African is incapable of self-care and sinks into lunacy under the burden of freedom. It is a mercy to give him the guardianship and protection from mental death.”
    A 19th century British psychologist, Sir Francis Galton, estimated that black people were “two grades” below white people in general mental ability. He was just one of a whole generation of scientists who peddled notions of black intellectual inferiority.
    They often argued that black people literally had smaller brains. As late as 1916 a scientist called Lewis Terman wrote: “Black children are uneducable beyond the nearest rudiments of training. No amount of school instruction will ever make them intelligent voters or capable citizens in the sense of the world. Their dullness seems to be racial, or at least inherent in the family stock from which they come.”

    The fact that you think so low of your father is surprisingly shocking. All these negative stereotypes about black aplies not only to you father but also to your black family and friend, and even to some extent you and your siblise

  24. james shelton

    You see Chance

    Being a member of the race regarded as the race with high intelligence gives one a right to superiority and justifies inequality, regardless of one’s individual deficiencies. It also justifies racism, since if inferior people are succeeding they must be cheating the truly superior people out of their just inheritance. It also justifies believing things about oneself that have no objective validity

    Define “intelligence.” All the research is proving is that whites are better adapted to a eurocentric definition of intelligence. Develop an afrocentric IQ test and let’s see who does better.

    There are no suprises here, we live in time of controversy.It appears it always a convienent pratice to mock ethnic minorities especially blacks the PROBLEM RACE.
    You are not saying anything new which we haven’t already heard about black peoples, the difference is that you has openly brough it to debate again. We all know blacks run faster , have higher libidos, have lower IQ all based on scientific thesis/ explanations by eminent white scholars/scientists, and now by the new race group mulattos (mix race)

    Intriguingly, white people always seem to the persons espouing these stories, we never hear eminent black scholar/ scientist making prouncements on biological race differences between white’s and blacks.

    One wonder whether that these prouncements and therories has any thing to do with insecurities and ignorance of a few racist bigots like yourself Chance.

  25. Cee Cee

    @ chance

    If we get rid of affirmative action you along with the other mulattos wont have a job.

  26. Cee Cee

    Maybe you didn’t get the memo…mulattos aren’t white. So you would be out of a job just like the rest of us.

  27. Chance

    # Cee Cee Wrote:
    Monday, March 3, 2008 at 11:45 am –

    @ chance

    If we get rid of affirmative action you along with the other mulattoes wont have a job.

    My response: Not every mulatto and black work an affirmative action job. So I will take my Chances with the job market.

  28. Cee Cee

    Good luck with that.

  29. Joseph

    I hope Mulattoes do not ascribe to luck but to hard work like our ancestors did. 🙂

  30. Cee Cee

    As I said to chance and now i’m saying to you Joseph…Mulattoes aren’t white, so if affirmative action is eliminated, you people will be out of a job too.

  31. Ashley

    # Cee Cee Wrote:
    Monday, March 3, 2008 at 4:27 pm –

    As I said to chance and now i’m saying to you Joseph…Mulattoes aren’t white, so if affirmative action is eliminated, you people will be out of a job too.

    Cee Cee, The Mulattoes that don’t look black at all will in no way be affected. However, please note that 89% of affirmative action positions are held by blacks. 89%. Do some research.

    Also, Cee cee, are you really that ignorant? Or is the pain of your self-hatred making you lose sight of basic common sense? It is quite obvious that you envy Mulattoes. That is probably why you troll around the Mulatto blogs and websites. Are you aware that Mulattoes are not White and Mulattoes are NOT black? MULATTOES ARE BOTH. Try to absorb that fact…
    (btw, why do you think you are such an authority on Mulattoes?)

    Cee cee, I know you want Mulattoes to say that they are black (and I know you want us to ignore our white fathers and white mothers), but please try to stop clinging to us. Cee cee, WE ARE NOT BLACK. We are Mulattoes.

  32. Cee Cee

    @ Ashley

    First things first I do not believe that mulattos are black. I believe they are a mixture of different races and ethnicities. I never said that, so do not put words in my mouth. Secondly, stop being so full of yourself. Nobody is envious of you or anyone else for that matter. Affirmative action was put here to benefit, Blacks, women and all others who are not a part of the white race. Everyone who is not considered to be white has benefited from affirmative action in one way or another. So as I said before and you also said, Mulattoes are not white nor are they black they are both. Therefore you have benefited from affrimative action whether you want to believe it or not.

  33. james shelton

    Right on cee cee…, completely in agreement with you.

  34. seb

    from : Nia Rahman-Khan (is an active memeber of my site)

    Look Chance,

    nice. You’re comments are very Bill Cosby (Blacks should pull themselves up by the bootstraps…please.). There are issues with your figures.
    First and foremost, affirmitive action is there for a reason?
    Do you think it’s as easy for me to get a job as a white person? I could do all the studying I want in the world, get a masters degree and it STILL wouldn’t make my skin light enough for a position without suspicion of me being a
    thief
    drug dealer
    or a prostiute with eight kids.
    Because there’s no way for me to make you believe that I am w o r t h y enough to go to College, worthier than Samantha Smith who will stroll right up and take my spot no matter the credentials.
    If you want further proof there are studies.
    It’s called white privilege. For some reason its so invisible to people who beifit from it.
    Wake up

  35. seb

    Nia Rahman-Khan (an active member of my site)

    @ Chance

    Look Chance,
    nice. You’re comments are very Bill Cosby (Blacks should pull themselves up by the bootstraps…please.). There are issues with your figures.
    First and foremost, affirmitive action is there for a reason?
    Do you think it’s as easy for me to get a job as a white person? I could do all the studying I want in the world, get a masters degree and it STILL wouldn’t make my skin light enough for a position without suspicion of me being a
    thief
    drug dealer
    or a prostiute with eight kids.
    Because there’s no way for me to make you believe that I am w o r t h y enough to go to College, worthier than Samantha Smith who will stroll right up and take my spot no matter the credentials.
    If you want further proof there are studies.
    It’s called white privilege. For some reason its so invisible to people who beifit from it.
    Wake up

  36. Chance

    seb,

    Yes I do agree that white privilege does still exist and affirmative action was needed in the beginning.
    What is the name of your site?

  37. taor

    I haven’t even used it yet..

  38. oyeniyi Samson

    What can one do to increase his penis size…? Reply…..




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