Black And Brown collision (the machismos)

Black And Brown collision

(How white racism, hispanic jealousy of black machismo, politics, and economic factors play a role in why blacks are attacked by Latinos.)

By Chance Kelsey,

Chance: Latinos and blacks have been having serious tensions between them, many neighborhoods, towns, and cities that use to be predominantly black are now predominantly Latino or in process of becoming predominantly Latino. In California cities like Compton, Watts, and South Los Angeles Latinos are the majority – blacks use to be the majority in these very same cities.

There have been racial murders in many of these same California cities with Latinos committing most of the murders against blacks. Blacks commit fewer racial killings against Latinos when compared to how many blacks are killed by Latinos. My observation is that the Latinos who are Americanized commit most of the racial hate crimes and murders against blacks, and the Latinos who are immigrants only commit a smaller number of hate crimes and murders against blacks.

The Hispanics (Latinos) who are immigrants (legal or illegal) are the ones that are gaining jobs over blacks. Many employers prefer Hispanics as employees instead of blacks. Latino immigrants work for lower wages because they often are more uneducated , less skilled, speak limited english, live in poverty, and accept lower paying jobs out of necessity due to being unskilled and being immigrants. Many illegal Hispanic immigrants will work jobs even when the working conditions are very dangerous and unsafe. Latinos are affecting the jobs market, educational, and political arenas. Now that Latinos are the majority in certain neighborhoods and towns they often elect a Latinos to political offices.

This has caused blacks to lose a lot of political power. In the states of Texas, Florida, Colorado, Illinois, New York, New jersey, and many other States, towns, cities, neighborhoods Latinos are gaining political power due to the increase demographic changes. In Miami, Florida Cubans hold most of the political power, and blacks have no major political power in Miami — and this has left blacks neglected politically. Blacks and Latinos in Miami have had race riots and violence against each other.

The trend is continuing across the country between Latinos and blacks.

The Machismos

Chance: I feel that some of the racial violence against blacks at the hands of Latinos has to do with black machismo being viewed by Latinos as strong than Latino machismo. Black masculinity being viewed as stronger and more masculine than Latino masculinity. Hispanics often hide behind the jacket of racism when in reality it is, because of the jealousy of black masculinity (manliness). Many Hispanics who commit these hate crimes against blacks are gang members and they often imitate black sub culture.

This proves that they admire blacks, but commit the hate crimes out of some type of jealousy. When it comes to Hispanic immigrants they seldom commit hate crimes against blacks when compared to hsipanic Americans. Hispanic immigrant and black tension are economically based more so or less, and hispanic Americans acts of violence against blacks are heavily based up on jealousy of masculinity.

Blacks as a collective also, have stronger personalities than hsipanics as a collective, and the stronger personality always influence the weaker personality. Thus Latinos imitate blacks culturally and personality wise more than blacks imitate them. We shall see how the black and Latino conflicts play themselves out in the future.

 White Racism Plays A Role

White American racism has played a major role in why blacks are mistreated by Latinos, and other non white ethnic groups. When immigrants and non whites see how certain whites give a passive okay to social racism against blacks — this makes all non whites view blacks and insignificant.

 Institutionalized racism in American society is still alive and well, it is not as bad as it use to be, but it is still around. Whites are the majority still, and therefore, can impose too some degree their will on others ethnic groups. Blacks are a target by other non whites because it is secretively known that if you attack blacks with criticize or violence in America — whites will accept your ethnic group, and give you an honorary white status culturally. White racism plays a major role (helps) in keep blacks viewed in the eyes of other ethnic groups as an irrelevant and insignificant racial group, meaning it is alright to mistreat, discriminate against, and commit hate crimes and violence against blacks. White American rejection of black Americans has made life difficult for blacks when blacks interact with other non white ethnic groups. The non white ethnic groups view blacks as a rejected group, and feel no shame in mistreating them, white racism is heavily responsible for this. This rejection is also responsible for why the police, and many other people in society, and the job market feel comfortable mistreating blacks.

What karma we weave as individuals, countries, and ethnic groups for every reaction there is an equal reaction.


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Where black and brown collide

Thursday, August 2nd, 2007 | DURHAM AND LOS ANGELES From The Economist print edition


The struggle for political dominance pits natural allies against each other TWO men will soon stand trial in Los Angeles in a murder case that does not involve white cops, a sportsman or a music producer. As a result, the trial is unlikely to receive minute-by-minute coverage on cable TV. Yet it will reveal as much about the edgy state of race relations in Los Angeles as the cases of Rodney King or O.J. Simpson. Perhaps more so, since it involves the two groups between which there is most tension.

The accused men, Ernesto Alcarez and Jonathan Fajardo, are Hispanic. The victim, 14-year-old Cheryl Green—who, prosecutors say, died in a racially motivated attack—was black. In the rarefied world of national politics (and in America’s even more other-worldly universities) blacks and Latinos tend to be lumped together in what Nicolás Vaca, a California lawyer, calls a “presumed alliance”. Last month Barack Obama, a Democratic presidential candidate whose father was Kenyan, assured a Hispanic conference that such a bond existed.

Quoting Martin Luther King, he called the two groups “brothers in the fight for equality”. On the streets of America’s cities, however, rather less lofty attitudes are apparent. “We’re being overrun,” says Ted Hayes of Choose Black America, which has led anti-immigration marches in south-central Los Angeles. “The compañeros have taken all the housing. If you don’t speak Spanish they turn you down for jobs.

Our children are jumped upon in the schools. They are trying to drive us out.” Not, Mr Hayes emphasises, that he has anything against illegal immigrants personally, or against Mexicans who are in America legally. Indeed, he says, in that useful old phrase, he is friendly with many of them. Last year Pew, a pollster, found that one-third of blacks believe immigrants take jobs from Americans—more than any other group.

Yet in some ways their views were benign. Blacks are less likely than whites or even Hispanics to believe that immigrants end up on welfare or commit crimes. Latinos, on the other hand, appear to make no such concessions. One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted.

Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way. Fifteen years ago such prejudices hardly existed in Durham, for the simple reason that there were hardly any Latinos. Like much of the South, the city was biracial, with roughly equal numbers of blacks and whites. Then came a building boom that drew workers from Mexico, many of them illegal. By 2000 one in 12 residents of Durham was Latino—up from one in 80 a decade earlier. By 2005, one in eight was.

Mauricio Castro, a local activist, says the change has hit the city like a storm. That storm has broken most heavily on the poorest parts of Durham, which happen to be black. It is in largely black neighbourhoods that wooden shacks have been converted into call centres and carnicerias (and it is, inevitably, often blacks who have robbed new arrivals of their weekly wages).

In this, Durham is typical. By 2000 blacks in all ten of America’s biggest metropolitan areas were more mixed in with Hispanics than with whites. In Los Angeles, former ghettos such as Watts are now biracial. In poor areas, closeness often means conflict. Los Angeles tallied more than 400 racial hate crimes last year—the most, as a proportion of all hate crimes, for at least a decade (see chart). Blacks fared worst: they comprise just 9% of the population of Los Angeles County but were the victims of 59% of all race-hate crimes.

Seven times out of ten, their persecutors were Latino. Hispanics, who make up almost half the population, were victimised by blacks eight-tenths of the time. These numbers greatly understate the violence. They do not, for example, include the victims of a dozen interracial prison riots last year, which left two dead. Gangs tend to be held responsible for such outrages, which is only partly fair. The 204th Street gang, which is alleged to be behind the murder of Cheryl Green, has a reputation for attacking innocent blacks. And gang members who have done time in California’s racially divided jails often develop especially sharp attitudes.

Yet gangs often express broadly held views, though in a violent way. Besides, says Robin Toma, the head of the county’s human relations commission, gangs can affect the views of law-abiding folk. When bullets start flying, a turf war can easily turn into a broader racial conflict.

The powerless majority

One reason blacks and Latinos have failed to form an alliance is philosophical.

The black civil-rights struggle, in the South at least, was mostly about asserting legal rights and demolishing barriers to voting by those who were, in theory, already enfranchised. The Latino struggle is quite different. Its goal is often the selective or non-enforcement of the law, particularly on immigration.

A common demand, for example, is for local police not to co-operate with federal immigration agents. And, whereas blacks in the 1960s demanded power in proportion to their numbers as adult citizens, Hispanics want rather more. Thanks partly to their youth and partly to the fact that many are not citizens, Latinos are not nearly as powerful as their numbers might suggest. In Durham, where they are more than 13% of the population, the Latino vote is negligible. Even in historically Hispanic California they comprise more than a third of the population but cast only about a fifth of the votes. The imbalance between numbers and power irks many Latinos.

And since they increasingly live in areas where political power is held by blacks, it often sharpens racial resentments. In Compton, an independent city in south Los Angeles, Latinos are now 58% of the population—and rising quickly. Yet the mayor and all the members of the council are black. “They got here first, took over from the whites, and now it’s difficult for them to let go,” says Alex Leon, a local pastor.

Sensing the future tsunami of Latino political power, Compton’s mayor has begun to cultivate Hispanics. It may be too late. In the next-door city of Lynwood, Hispanics were largely kept out of power until they became a majority. After seizing control of the city council in 1997 they demolished the black political machine.

Such ethnic squabbles, which are almost inevitable in the zero-sum game of urban politics, can shape attitudes. And they may help to explain one of the most striking features of the 2008 presidential race: the lack of Latino support for Mr Obama. In June a Gallup poll showed that black Democrats were evenly divided between Mr Obama and Hillary Clinton, while whites gave Mrs Clinton a 16-point lead. Among Hispanics, however, the senator from New York led by a crushing 46 points—despite Mr Obama’s impeccably liberal line on immigration.

So far, rivalry between blacks and Hispanics has been a mostly working-class affair. But Earl Ofari Hutchinson, who is writing a book on black-Latino relations, reckons that is likely to change. Latinos are already so entrenched in some manual trades that it is hard to see how they can become more dominant. In construction, for example, they account for a quarter of the national workforce and outnumber blacks almost five to one.

The next citadels to be stormed will be white-collar, largely female preserves such as public administration, education and health. In Los Angeles the struggle for such jobs is well under way. Every month the Los Angeles County Chicano Employees Association produces a newsletter illustrating the shortage of Latinos in the top ranks of yet another government office.

These reports nearly always show that blacks are over-represented. In the department of children and family services, for example, some 36% of managers are black, 29% are white and just 20% are Hispanic. Yet the reports also show that, over time, Hispanics have steadily taken high-level jobs from both blacks and whites. If blacks and Hispanics are not brothers in the fight for equality, nor are they locked in a titanic struggle like the one between blacks and whites in the mid-20th-century South.

Thankfully, there is far less violence. And the fact that leaders on both sides talk of a common cause probably helps. Yet one thing is the same: the group on top wants to stay there. Indeed, power hard-won from whites may be even more difficult to give up. As parts of Durham begin to resemble south-central Los Angeles, tensions between blacks and Latinos can only increase.

  1. Kahlil

    Chance, Thanks again for this site! ~;D

    I found this article to be quite interesting because in MY experience in The Barrios, Latinos seem to have NO fear [esp. toward another race].

    I believe/agree that Latinos imitate Blacks out of respect for Blacks’ economic & political superiority in the U.S. However, I question your notion that they deem Blacks as being more “Masculine”.

    White Supremacy: so powerful, so subtle…*sigh*

    Another note;
    I had an experience once where I collided with a young Black male whom said that I thought I was White;
    I told him that I WAS White;
    he said, “No U Ain’t!”;
    I said, “What Am I Then, BLACK!?!? I’m White AND Black & I’ve got Love for ALL my people.”

    An older Black guy on the bus then “squashed” our “beef” by acknowledging my Mulattoness & promptly attempted to “recruit” me against Asians. LOL!

    Chance, this dialogue is EXTREMELY difficult for me [and ALL thinking Mulattos for that matter].

  2. chance

    @ Kahlil,

    Kahlil said: I found this article to be quite interesting because in MY experience in The Barrios, Latinos seem to have NO fear [esp. toward another race].

    My response:
    That’s because they are in their own barrios (neighborhoods) and are protected by many other latinos and homies. Also, it depends on which latinos. Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Mexicans, Chicanos, south or central Americans etc latinos who have visible black ancestry are feared more because they have black in them. Look at Puerto Ricans and Dominicans. The latinos who are Mexicans and south and central Americans are the major ones with the reputation of needing other latinos to help them fight (not all Latinos).

    Kahlil said: I believe/agree that Latinos imitate Blacks out of respect for Blacks’ economic & political superiority in the U.S. However, I question your notion that they deem Blacks as being more “Masculine”.

    My response: In my opinion I feel it does have something to do with blacks being more masculine, because constantly imitating the black culture and especially the tough guy image of black culture but yet say you (latinos) hate blacks shows that there is admiration mixed with jealousy. Black masculinity is genetically based, all masculinity is genetically based. The more testosterone hormones your body produce the more manly (masculine) and dominate you are. Blacks produce the highest amount of testosterone percentage wise. Latinos know that black masculinity is stronger and they try to imitate that, this proves that a stronger personality will influence a weaker personality.

    Sometimes people attack you because they like and love you, but they view it as a sign of being weak if they let men from another racial group know that they like or love. Love hides behind hate. If latinos did not admire black culture and black sub culture they would not imitate it. Ask latinos why imitate the blacks if you hate them. The fact, that they do imitate shows that, there is admiration mixed with jealousy.

    Kahlil said: White Supremacy: so powerful, so subtle…*sigh*

    My response: White supremacy always a pain in the rear end.

    Kahlil said: Another note;
    I had an experience once where I collided with a young Black male whom said that I thought I was White;
    I told him that I WAS White;
    he said, “No U Ain’t!”;
    I said, “What Am I Then, BLACK!?!? I’m White AND Black & I’ve got Love for ALL my people.”

    An older Black guy on the bus then “squashed” our “beef” by acknowledging my Mulattoness & promptly attempted to “recruit” me against Asians. LOL!

    My response:
    Many blacks feel oppressed, and want other ho have some black ancestry but are mixed with other ethnicities to feel oppressed like them (blacks). In many cases they also are jealous of those of us who are mixed race especially if we are mixed with white. The ODR (one drop rule) had nothing to do with blacks, it had to o with the white race purifying itself of quadroons and octoroons. The result was that all quadroons, octoroons, yellow skins mulattoes, light skinned mulattoes, reddish yellow skin, bi racials, and MGM mulattoes of that time period were then labeled black and forced to live with blacks.
    The ODR has to do with punishing the mixed race for having black in them especially the octoroons and quadroons because they could pass for white and marry white women.

    The ODR has nothing o do with blacks whites during slavery and Jim Crow times could spot a black person immediately. Black people have nothing to do with ODR, only mulattoes do, so, why do so many blacks comment on ODR when it had nothing to do with their race directly?
    In the 1920s the American government remove the category called mulatto from the census and left black and white. People who were born in the early 1920 and before and had mulatto parents (most of the time they were multi generational mulatto parents) the word mulatto was written on their birth certificate. This is a documented fact.

    Kahlil said: Chance, this dialogue is EXTREMELY difficult for me [and ALL thinking Mulattos for that matter].

    My response: Talking about the ODR, dealing with angry blacks who want mulattoes to remain black, dealing with social discrimination because you have some black in you, etc can be very painful emotionally and mentally. I have experienced this myself.

    There needs to be more support websites and group gatherings that give a forum for mulattoes, light skin mulattoes, mulattoes of a ll skin tones from dark in between and light or white looking, bi racials, MGM, and FGM ( first generational mix or mulatto (bi racial)). I try to give an ear because I go through the same things. I men you pay a price because you have some black in you and society racially discriminate against you because of your black ancestry, then you get verbally abused and mistreated by blacks because yo have white ancestry or some other non black ancestry that is visible in you.

    It can become stressful and overwhelming sometimes, you want to scream and lash out. Mulattoes we will defeat the ODR, and its black and white supporters someday, we mixed race people will become acknowledged as a third category like we once were. We have survived this far, so we can make it t the finish line.

  3. Kahlil


    Chance, I REALLY believe that you can help us more than you think.

  4. Lipstick

    Mulatto men and women should rise up and plan a HUGE gathering, similar to the “million man march”, only in our case it would be the “MILLION MULATTO MARCH” (for both men & women).

    This march should be held somewhere in the south. It MUST be held in the south, and for more reasons than I have time to mention…

    Our dear “Chancellor”, what do you think?

  5. Chance

    @ Lipstick,

    The latinos are marching in the south via immigration so they being mixed race themmselves will change the demographics of the South. I feel that mulattoes need to start publicly saying that they are mixed, so America will get use to mulatttoes, light skin mulattoes, MGM, FGM, and bi racials saying they are mixed. We need to bring this to television, radio, movies, talk shows, the media in general, news blogs, newspapers, and the internet once this happens more frequently it will create a big debate among blacks, whites, and mixed race people in America. Then also with more inter racial marriages taking place it will become more accepted that mixed race people are not black or white directly but are mixed race and can associate with blacks and whites. It will become accepted that mixed race people are their own group, America, whites, and blacks will accept it.


  6. Kahlil

    i have chosen to OFFICIALLY break from Blacks because of the very same reasons Chance stated above.
    People like Chance & myself are “EXTREMELY” Rare, hence my STRONG admiraton for Chance, because we have a VERY UNIQUE shared experience which is difficult for most Blacks of ALL hues to comprehend.
    [Plus I know through MY experience many of the pains Chance had to experience in order to become TRULY FREE]. Shelby Steele is another such gentleman.

    As I progress in White Society;
    intellectually, my knowledge & witness of Colonial Backlash deepens.

    I REALLY wish Blacks would free themselves mentally and it pains me that SO MANY capable Blacks choose to stay behind & “WAIT” for the Black Community as a Whole to move forward.

    My Family has exercised it’s passing option for generations; yet it’s STILL quite difficult.

  7. Denise

    People who you call “caramel blacks” are the original light skinned black people. When the Europeans mixed with the Dark skinned blacks to produce mixed race offspring, this colorism issue was born, and it still is ingrained in persons such as yourself. There will never be a mixed race people category, because the one drop rule will exist forever. As long as you have black blood in your veins you will be treated as a black person. If their was a race riot, trust me blacks will fight for you before the whites will.

    My mother is of Native American, Dutch and African Lineage, but the color of her skin places her in the black category rather she wants to be there or not. I do believe that biracial children or often picked on but, it is the dark skinned black child who is left with the scars for life. I have a dark skinned sister and she tells me about how kids use to call her black and ugly and how come she was not lighter skinned, like the rest of her sisters, she is still feeling the effects of those words today because she often say bad things about people her complexion and she even told me that at one point she thought that she was adopted.

    The things that your articles say about black people are just mostly stereotypes that motivate mullatos like yourself to want to be a part of another racial category. White people do not want you to be a part of their race, you are just a reminder of what they have done. I am not a racist by any means but, I am sick and tired of hearing about the “tragic mullato” stories. Once again, no person has had it worst racially speaking, than dark skinned blacks, end of story.

  8. actually, the native americans have it worse than people of partial African descent.

  9. Water finds it own level every time. Great topic (Black And Brown collision (the machismos))! I found this blog while looking for Female Sexual Dominance, and am glad I did. Good job!

  10. Elle

    I believe/agree that Latinos imitate Blacks out of respect for Blacks’ economic & political superiority in the U.S.

    Actually Latinos in Latin America imitate black Latinos living there also. For example a lot of white Brazilians (Latinos) do Carnival, do Samba, do Candomble (African religion), do capoeira… a lot of Hispanics in both continents listen to rap (in Latin America Brazilian rap or some other rap), reggaeton (created in Panama) etc. I think Latinos just enjoy black culture because blacks tend to make most of the world’s quality music.

  11. caesar

    You sound like you are racially biased towards black american culture or just ignorant to what you are stating and passing of as facts , i dont know how you would say that latinos are jealous of black machismo , you try and pass yourself off as this genetics dna history type authority but the aztecs which is most directly associated with mexico dont exsist anymore because they would fight and die rather than be conquered or enslaved , and your black machoism you say is the cause of jealousy among latinos makes no sense the same people your saying are super macho are descended from slaves who were not macho enough to fight for their own freedom so your card got pulled chance you aint what i thought you were , unbiased strong but educated opinion with facts type writer , you are just like the white american history book writers a propaganda , biased with agenda type writer , i lost the love i had for your writing style , you probably wont even put my response on your page , i pulled your covers bro , black and brown have issues and you aint helping them with nonsense articles black and brown are minorities in this country that should be a uniting cause without tension respect for cultures and a strong solidarity to all people and minorities , obviousley both sides have macho strong individuals and both have weaker soft type individuals dont put it on race and help continue this senseless violence among black and brown , shame on you chance . And i say that as someone who had a admiration to some of your writing

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