African American and Black American

African American and Black American

By Chance Kelsey, chancellorfiles.com 

Some mixed race people in the multiracial movement feel that there is a difference between the African American ethnic group and black race of America. They feel that the African American ethnic group is made up of mixed race people who are part black mixed with white, or part black mixed with other ethnic groups. And, they feel that the black American race is made up of monoracial blacks. 

First of all what is the criteria and measuring stick that is used to determine what is a monoracial black person or how mixed percentage wise to qualify as a member of the African American ethnic group? What does a member of the of the “Black American race” look like in phenotype?

If a black American has a dark black skin color like actor Wesley Snipes or dark skin like actress Whoopi Goldberg would this make them members of the Black American race? If a person has the skin color of Singer El Debarge or actress Vanessa Williams does this make them a member of the African American ethnic group but not a member of the black race? Actors Vin Diesel, Wentworth Miller, and Jennifer Beals all three have black fathers and white mothers – but all three these people look non black. Wentworth Miller has an octoroonic phenotype and shows no signs of black ancestry, Vin Diesel and Jennifer Beals have quadroonic phenotypes that make both of them look like Italians, Arabs, or Mediterranean white.

Would these three considered a part of the African American ethnic group because they are biracial, and not allowed to be apart of the black race because they are not dark enough in skin tone (dark black skin). Basketball player Sofoklis Schortsanitis father is white (Greek) and his mother is black (Cameroon, Africa), and Sofoklis is very Dark skin, and at six feet 10 inches tall very unintentionally intimidating. So if Sofoklis was born and raised in America would be a part of the black American race or the African American ethnic group or both since he is biracial?

There are biracial Americans who have one black parent and one white parent but come out dark skin, and look totally black. No matter where they go on the planet people will say these people are black. Do these dark sin black biracials qualify to be apart of the African American ethnic group which is made up of mixed race people according to certain multiracial people? These multiracial advocates also claim that the African American ethnic group is made up of all kinds of skin complexions from light skin, yellow, yellowish red, Carmel brown skin, beige, white, brown and even dark skin mixed race people.

Now the question is this? If a dark skin black man or woman claims to be mixed, and is considered apart of the African America ethnic group of mixed people because he or she said they have some white or non black ethnic group ancestry from relatives who lived long ago – how will you be able to verify this? You definitely can’t go by their phenotypes (physical appearance) because their physical appearances look overwhelmingly black. Whoopi Goldberg had an took an DNA test, and it came back 92% sub Saharan African (black) and 8% European and Rev T.D. Jakes took an DNA test and it came back 100% sub Saharan African, Jakes test revealed he descended from Igbo tribe of Nigeria – so does both of them qualify to join and be a part of the African American ethnic group? Both Jakes and Whoopi have dark skin.

If a dark skin black who has two black parents and is labeled a member of the “Black American race” what about those dark skin blacks who are biracial and can’t be distinguished from a dark skin black that was born to two black parents. What would be the measuring stick that would determine which of these dark skin blacks are left labeled as black – and the other labeled as a member of the African American ethnic group of mixed people? Going around asking strangers about their ethnic back group is considered rude if they don’t know you. AFRICAN AMERICAN The name African American speaks volumes in and of itself. Africa is a continent, and when the average person here the name Africa they think of black people with dark skin. They seldom think of Arabs, whites, Jews, and other racial group living in Africa. 

On top of that you can’t walk up to a black American and tell him or her that they are not allowed to use the names African American, Africa America, or Afrocentic. The African evokes images of blackness not mixed raceness.  If you keep calling yourself an African American in America you will be perceived as black, and a member of the black race of America like it or not. It carries no weight that some scholar may have said that African America is an ethnic group and black race is a racial group.

Calling yourself an African American has never caused anyone to be viewed as separate from the black race, and it does not protect you from racial discrimination that is directed towards people who have black ancestry that is visible. Matter of fact it opens you up to potential racial discrimination. A black American has every right to call himself an African American.   Let the so African American ethnic group try to stop a black man from calling himself an African American. He will let them know that he has a right to do this. If multiracial advocates who try to convince mixed people to continue calling themselves African Americans — keep thinking that society is viewing them as separate from the black American race they are dreaming. As long as Americans continue to practice the ODR (one drop rule) that says if you have black ancestry especially if it is visible then you are black is in affect — you will be seen a member of the black race.

Change your name change your destiny. Words are qualifiers, and words produce effects on the psyche (mind), and African American produce images of blackness not mixedness. Find another name that is not connected with being seen as a black person only.

Yahoo answers quote: It sounds as if you — like many other members of our society — really need to try to begin to understand that the ‘African-American’ (AA) ‘Ethnic’ group is *not* the same group as the’Black American’ (BA) ‘Race’ group — that the two (2) terms are *not* synonymous and that the two (2) terms should *not* be used inter-changeably. We are *not* speaking of ‘semantics’ here – but rather – the BAs & AAs are two different groups of people.

The AAs are the (largely Mixed-Race) ETHNIC group. The BAs are the (Mono-Raced) RACE group. As confusing as it seems — the U.S. government [due to racism & wanting to stigmatize the part of their lineage that was from Africa which, by the way, is only one part of their lineage] — has labeled those individuals who are the known "descendents of the survivors" of the system of chattel-slavery found in the USA as being AAs (the hyphen is used in reference to acknowledging the fact that most of them are Mixed-Race, with African & non-African blood lines)

AND has labeled those people who are "volitional immigrants" who are directly from places such as the continent of African, the West Indies, etc. — as being BAs (with the word ‘Black’ used in reference to acknowledging the fact that they are of a Mono-racial full-Black lineage). In addition, it should also be remembered that – although some AAs adhere to a socio-political ‘identity’ that is often described by the slang term of “black”—the AAs are actually *not* a "Race" group at all — but rather they *are* a largely Mixed-Race ‘Ethnic’ group (and the socio-political ‘identity’ that a person chooses *does not* change their racially-mixed ancestral lineage).

Most (+70%) of the people born to two (2) parents who are of the AA ‘Ethnic’ group are are of a Multi-Racially ‘Mixed’ (MGM) lineage – while the people to two (2) parents who are of the BA ‘Racial’ group – on the other hand – are of a Mono-Racially ‘Black’ lineage.

There is a big difference between a largely Multi-racial ‘Ethnic’ group and between a Mono-racial ‘Race group. In addition, there is also a big difference between one’s socio-political ‘identity’ (ex. "black") and one’s ancestral racial ‘lineage’ (ex. ‘Mixed’). Just because a person adheres to a given socio-political ‘identity’ does *not* change the composition of their ancestral ‘lineage’.

Also — the ‘One-Drop’ Rule (the false teaching that ‘any amount’ of Black ancestral lineage make a person "full black") is nothing more than pure-racism. The racist ‘One-Drop Rule’ (used only by the United States government, by the way) was created during the antebellum, chattel-slavery era by White racial supremacist in order to get people to believe the false racist myth that the so-called White "race" was "pure" and to falsely view the Black "racial" admixture (even the slightest amount) within someone’s ancestral lineage as being "tainted".

To embrace the ‘One-Drop Rule’ is the equivalent of BOTH embracing "racism" and embracing the false teaching that a Mixed-Race person’s Black lineage is "tainted".

My advice is that a non-Racist should *not* embrace the concept of the ‘One-Drop Rule’ — as "Black blood" is *not* "tainted" — and should never be perceived or embraced as being so (not even in the name of so-called "pride" and "unity"). In addition, legally-speaking, attempted forcible application of the racist ‘One-Drop Rule’ — against any individual or group — was made illegal and ruled as unconstitutional by the United States Supreme Court in 1967 via the case of ‘Loving vs. The State of Virginia’.

Through the ‘Loving vs. Virginia’ case, the U.S. Supreme Court, ruled against both all of the laws banning Interracial marriage — and — also ruled that any so-called law which forcibly applied the ‘One Drop Rule’ — was racist, discriminatory, illegal, unconstitutional, and non-enforcible.

 

Written during the 21st century by Chancellor (Chance)


  1. AP

    Chance,

    First and foremost, HOW DARE YOU QUOTE
    SOMETHING TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM MY
    WEB SITES WITHOUT EVEN LISTING
    THE SITES AS THE SOURCE?!

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3357

    (Almost the entire thread that you have
    presented is nothing more than a quote
    from a posting I made at my web site —
    followed by a nonsensical ranting from you.)

    What you have done is called plagiarism
    — and is both illegal and unethical!!

    But of course, looking at all the other
    ways in which you have used this board —
    ex. advocating Eugenics; supporting racists,
    sexists and anti-Semites; pretending to be a
    part and / or supporter of the Multiracial
    Movement (which, Thank God, you are not);
    pretending to have some level of expertise
    on the matter of multi-racialism — your
    latest nonsensical rant should not surprise me.

    When I first saw this board, I honestly
    and obviously mistakenly, thought it’s
    purpose was to be supportive of those
    of use who are actually Mixed-Race.

    What I have discovered is that this board
    of yours is nothing more than a JOKE; the
    entire purpose for it’s existence is to
    attack and provide bad (and often false)
    press against the blacks; and ‘you’, it’s
    owner, are likely nothing more than a
    ‘wannabee’ who pretends to be Mixed-Race
    and mistakenly thinks that the more
    you ‘attack the black’, the rest of
    us will be fooled into thinking
    that you are one of us.

    You are NOT one of us !!

    You are a disgrace to those of us who
    actually ‘are’ Mixed-Race and to
    the Mixed-Race Movement as well.

    People who actually are Mixed-Race do not
    spend their time attacking the blacks;
    supporting anti-Semites; nor trying to
    refute true scientific evidence that shows
    that a given ‘Ethnic’ group is NOT the
    same as a particular ‘racial’ group.

    All of these behaviors that you have displayed
    simply show not only the rabid hatred that
    you have for the Americans and others that
    you consider to be and want placed into the
    category of ‘black’ – but it also reveals that
    you are nothing more than a ‘wannabee’
    who mistakenly thinks that this behavior
    that you display will somehow ‘endear’ you
    to those of us who actually are Mixed-Race.

    Your behavior — particularly your non-stop
    attack on the blacks (using stereotypes,
    myths and so-called “evidence” which are
    all from obviously questionable sources
    – like Eugenicists) — places you in the
    company of people such as Leni Riefenstahl,
    Joseph Gobbles, Walter Plecker and many
    other shameful examples of propagandistic
    racists found in the history of mankind.

    When I first came across this board,
    having mistakenly thought it was a board
    that advocated the goals of the Mixed-Race
    Movement, I posted a memo that said something
    to the equivalent of ‘keep up the good work’.

    Now — after having read much of the postings
    of your anti-Black racist rants; your support
    of anti-Semitic and sexists individuals; and
    your support of Eugenics, etc. (a practice
    used by the likes of Joseph Mengele) — let
    the record show that, now that I am aware
    of what this board is all about — I now
    FULLY and 100% RECANT any and all of my
    earlier support of you and of this pathetic,
    ridiculous, ranting, raving board of yours.

    Good heavens — you are SICK –
    and your desperate behavior is
    nothing more than disgraceful
    and a sign that you may even
    need to get mental-therapy
    (I mean, after all — supporting
    anti-Semites and attacking blacks
    just to try to get people to believe
    that you are Mixed-Race? — come on
    now — do you think that’s what we
    real Mixed-Race people would do!!)!!

    You are clearly nothing more than a
    ‘wannabee’; and a disgrace to those
    of us who actually are Mixed-Race.

    My recommendation is that those of us
    who actually are Mixed-Race should
    have absolutely no association with
    you or this board — as most of us
    are not in any way anti-Black racist;
    anti-Semites, sexists, colorists, etc.–
    nor would we ever support anyone who is.

    In addition for those people who are truly
    interested in knowing what the difference
    is between the ‘African-American’ (AA)
    ETHNIC group and the ‘Black American’
    (BA) RACE group — they may feel free
    to see the links noted as follows and
    may contact me at the email address
    attainable through those links:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3357
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OneDropRule/message/7794
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FGM-Mixed

    (Hmmm—Let me think — I wonder who I should
    believe when it comes to their perspectives on
    the difference between the ‘African-American’
    (AA) ETHNIC group and the ‘Black American’
    (BA) RACE group – should it be Dr. Luigi
    Cavelli-Sforza (who is the world’s foremost
    authority on the field of human genetics and
    the Executive Director of the Human Genome
    Project) — or should it be Chance Kelsey (an
    open anti-Black racist who, in a desperate
    attempt to falsely convince the world that he
    is Mixed-Race, openly supports anti-Semites,
    sexists and Eugenicists — in a delusional belief
    that this will somehow or another help to dilute
    or distract from all the Black blood he likely
    has flowing through his vein and openly
    despises and from which he clearly wants
    to distance and separate himself???)

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3357
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OneDropRule/message/7794

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FGM-Mixed

  2. Chance

    @ AP,

    Alright I have been listening to you attack me for awhile now. I will say this I am a mixed race person like it or not, and I a right to my opinions and ideas. I don’t want to offend or mean to anyone. I recommend that you stop calling yourself a supporter of the multiracial and mixed race movement, and start supporting the pro “Black Nationalist” movement because anyone listening to what you have written in the last couple of days in the commenting section of my blog can clearly see that you are heavily pro black.

    There is nothing wrong with that. At the same time you have to understand that you will endorse one more than the other. You are either pro multiracial or pro black the two currently will never mix. Blacks support the ODR (one drop rule) more than whites, and as a collective black Americans do not support the multiracial movement and currently neither does any of the major black African American political organizations like the NAACP.

    It was the NAACP along with other black Americans in 1999 and 2000 who complained to the Office of budget and management that there should not be a multiracial category added to the government’s federal census.
    So the government’s Office of budget and management came up with a compromise and that was they allowed people to mark as many racial categories as they wanted on their census form. You now can mark white, black, Asian, Hispanic, all at the same time instead of just marking black or white or Hispanic.

    The NAACP was responsible for this and many of the leaders of the multiracial movement of the 1980s and 1990s were sadden by this, and felt let down. The NAACP and certain multiracial activist came to a comprise that will allow people to mark as many ethnic categories they want but not allow for a multiracial or mixed race category to be added. Some multiracial activist felt that those multiracial activists who went along with this crap betrayed the multiracial movement. You can mark and choose as many ethnic categories you want was added to federal census bureau in 2000.

    AP, you are too attached to blackness and I recommend that you stop calling yourself a multiracial activist and move on into being a black activist (if you are not already). You are too conflicted and caught up with being pro black and trying to be a multiracial activist. Chose one or the other. Since you keep saying that African American is for mixed people and Black American race is for pure blacks this is crap and garbage.

    Go tell someone you are an African American, and I bet that they immediately think to themselves you are a black person then. AP, you know I am right. How are you going to distinguish between who is an African American and who is a black American by race? You can’t answer that satisfactorily AP.

    I also say this walk up to black Americans and tell them the crap that you speak of saying that an African American is for the mixed race people only, and black race is for those who are apart of the black American race who are black. Many will look like you are silly and crazy and might catch some HARM from some of them who may feel you are trying to divide the race, make lighter more mixed looking blacks look superior.

    Even if they agree with you that African American is made up of mixed race looking blacks they will still say you are still black regardless of what you are mixed with. If African American can’t protect you from racial discrimination and the ODR it is only because African American is perceived by blacks, whites, African Americans, and other racial groups as simply apart or subgroup of the black race of America, and should not receive a special category as long as they continue to use the name African American.

    Black African Americans have always been hostile towards any type of multiracial movement that could allow and cause mixed race looking people to be separated from the black American race. You know this AP, and the fear of being beaten or killed by blacks who here you talking about how beautiful; it is to be a mixed race person or have light skin keeps many mixed race people in place when around blacks out of fear.

    I have also, noticed that many MGMs (multi generational mix or multi generational mulattoes) are more attached to blacks than FGMs as a collective. That is because they were raised with blacks. So it is harder for them to be separate. The accusation of racism against me does not faze me, no one wants to be called a racist not even me – but it does not faze me it comes with the territory.
    Many blacks hate blacks and kill blacks, and enjoy making blacks unhappy.

    There are some blacks who believe in eugenics and believe blacks are inferior too, it is not just certain members of other ethnic groups who believe this — I have come across their writings on the internet.

    As for you calling me a wannabe (want to be) multi racial activist. I not a wannabe I will continue to do my part and write about various topics and mixed race topics as well. You did not read my essay on eugenics like I recommended. Maybe you did and could not refute the evidence in the essay.

    The essay I wrote above titled African American and Black American is a good essay that totally proves that your point of view is not accurate, and this is why you have not quoted the essay.

    It proves you are full of inaccuracies. It does not matter that Dr. LuigiCavelli-Sforza (who is the world’s foremost authority on the field of human genetics and the Executive Director of the Human Genome Project) called African Americans an ethnic group of mixed people and are different from the black American race that maybe true. But the reality is, that when you say you are African American in America blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics, and all other racial groups will consider you black. In America members of the black American race are often called African Americans by the media, newspaper, blogs, internet, by politicians, job applications, etc identify and call black Americans African Americans.

    AP, you say I use stereotypes, I wrote an essay stereotypes and explained it very well, you have not commented on it because it is well written. And, it puts your logic to shame. You say I am a racist for writing about Eugenics I told you to go read my essay of eugenics it will put your logic to shame. The essay above tirled African American and Black American you have not quoted that essay and pointed out what it is — that you disagree with. I feel because you know the essay is well written, and proves you wrong.

    You say I am filled with self hatred I am ashamed of my black ancestry. This is not true. There possibly could be a side of you that feels this and you are projecting it on me.
    There are essays that I have asked you to go read on my blog — and document on what you disagree with you may have read them, and found out they are well written — and too hard for you to disprove.
    Your quote was not plagiarized it a yahoo quote an that is where I got it from. I said it was a quote and thus implying it was not mine.

    Try to disprove the essay written above titled African American and Black American you can’t because it is well written.

    You never know where I might end up in the multi racial movement. People come to this site to seek essays and knowledge about mulattoes, mixed race, race relations, a other topics. Some commenters are very grateful for this site.

    They have shown it and said it.

    This is not a guarantee but maybe I need to open up a website and forum for mixed race people — so they can have a place to go, and share. We shall see!!!

    Recommend AP that you no long advertise your self as a multiracial activist and go advertise your self as a black activist because you lean more towards black. These two movements are not the same and have different needs. Black Americans are a competing racial group and why should a competing racial group help a multiracial group (mixed race) progress and get recognition over it.
    I am a supporter of the multi racial movement, until I inform people other wise.

  3. Mulatto & Proud

    Black African Americans have always been hostile towards any type of multiracial movement that could allow and cause mixed-race looking people to be separated from the black American race. You know this AP, and the fear of being beaten or killed by blacks who hear you talking about how beautiful it is to be a mixed-race person or have light skin, keeps many mixed-race people in place when around blacks out of fear.

    Chance, you are absolutely CORRECT. It’s hard enough dealing with hostility from blacks, let alone dealing with hostility from our own mixed-race people.

    Chance, you are also CORRECT when you state, “Black Americans are a competing racial group, and why should a competing racial group help a multiracial group (mixed race) progress and get recognition?” OF COURSE blacks do not want us to progress. Why would they? As long as we are lumped together with them, they are greater in numbers and they can also take credit for whatever a mixed-race person accomplishes.

    I AM SICK AND ANGRY THAT BLACKS CAN SAY “BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL”, BUT THESE SAME BLACKS GET HOSTILE IF A MIXED-RACE PERSON SAYS, “LIGHT IS BEAUTIFUL”!!! Give me a break!

    Chancellor, please continue to do EXACTLY what you are doing. You will always have a following as long as there are mixed-race people — who no longer want to be “kept in their place” by blacks!

    YOU ROCK, CHANCELLOR!!!

  4. Chance

    Mulatto & Proud,

    Thank you for your support, and it is true, that some mixed race people are in the way of the multiracial movement just like certain blacks, whites, and members of other ethnic groups. Some of these mixed race people think they are doing a service for the multiracial movement but they are in the way. There is no compromising with blacks. Blacks want you to be labeled black or African American only, and not mixed race. So going around her saying tat the African American ethnic group is mixed race and the Black race of America is made up of pure blacks and thus African American is separate from silly.

    In America when you say you are African American how come they then automatically put you in the category of being a member of the black American race? African American as an ethnic group of mixed race people is currently only valid on some researcher’s paper work.

    In the general American public the tile African American puts you in the category of black.

    Mixed race people should not let themselves get caught up in this mess. I will continue to support the mixed race people and multiracial movement until I say other wise.

    From your resident Chancellor

  5. Denise

    @3Mulatto & Proud
    Denise said: The term light and beautiful sounds so vain. Not all multiracial people are light skin, I am one of them. You are talking as if you think that mixed race people are superior to blacks. What the heck you mean them, you insulted your black family members when you said that. Who the heck do you think you are. Join the KKK they would love your stance maybe you can help them lynch a few of them(blacks). Being proud of your mixed race heritage-if you are mixed, is about embracing all of your blood, having the best of both or multiple worlds, not forgetting that you are a part of some of them.

    Blacks say that black is beautiful, because for hundreds of years blacks were considered as not being fully a person-refer to the American Constitution. Pure Black is not considered as attractive by most Americans, because American culture considers European phenotypes more attractive. Saying light and beautiful is once again vain, and it is also spiteful and it shows the scars that you bear from your “tragic mulatto” past. What do you mean mess, you have no respect for other cultures.

    How exactly are blacks keeping you in place, what mentally. Blacks will not lynch you if you identify as mixed race, who has a gun to your head. Check all the boxes that apply and move on.

  6. Denise

    I thought that mullato and proud made that comment. My comment:What do you mean mess, you have no respect for other cultures, was directed toward mullato and proud, well anyway still I am a bit bitter about some of the comments made about this subject.

  7. Chance

    Denise,

    I hear what you are saying, and I understand where you are coming from. I also feel that multiracial mixed people come in all skin tones also from caramel, dark skin, yellow, beige, brown, and white. If I am not mistaken in commenting section you said on this blog once Denise that you are mixed also. I consider you mixed race and support your right to be mixed race. You spoke of having caramel brown skin you are mixed person, and you and others should be allowed to identify as mixed race instead of black if you want to identify as mixed.

  8. Elle

    African-American is a silly term. White South Africans living here and North African Arabs living here are supposed to be considered African-American, creating three races of African-Americans, the same way that the Latino ethnic group has three different races: Natives, Whites, and Blacks. But everyone thinks it’s ludicrious to consider the aforementioned groups African-American, with some blacks even calling to racist mockery. Also people just use it as a PC term for blacks, because for example, a journalist referred to French National soccer team as African-American. They’re actually Afro-French or Francophone Africans.

  9. Chance

    @ Elle,

    I agree totally.

  10. LaKair

    to be honest i hope that mixed race people do one day become separated from blacks because i already don’t consider them black. i consider them mixed. Barack to me will never be the first black president because he’s mixed. i’m tired of people considering mixed people black. why can’t they be both races and be considered mixed.but then on the other had i can see why they want to hold on to being black. they don’t want to feel separated from their family.if the majority of their family is black and their mixed they may feel out of place. i know i would. that’s why i want black children and not mixed.

  11. Chance

    @ LaKair,

    I hear what you are saying Lakair, but remember interracial marriages are on the rise, and you can still self identify as mixed race, and still claim your black family. You can still go visit your black family on the weekends or see them everyday, and come home to them. The only difference is that you self identify as mixed race nothing more. You don’t have to give up your family to self identify as mixed race.

  12. Cee Cee

    The only reason people who were of mixed blood (preferably black and white) were considered black was because whites did not want to accept those biracial children. Whites saw them as tainted and did not want to accept them into their racial group. This is where the whole “one drop” MYTH came into play. There are three races on this planet: Black, White and Asian. Everyone else is a derivitive of those races. If you have one white parent and one black parent, you are black and white. If you have one asian parent and one black parent, you are black and asian and so on and so forth. The term African American I don’t really agree with because although I do come from African decent, I was not born in Africa and I know nothing about Africa. I am an American and that is that.

  13. Randi

    Whites saw them as tainted and did not want to accept them into their racial group. This is where the whole “one drop” MYTH came into play.

    Cee Cee, isn’t it interesting that biracials NEVER comes to terms with who instituted the the one drop rule? Many whites mothers will also call their mixed offspring “black” as well but they overlook this issue. Lots of white racists will also tell you biracials are mistaken if they believe they are wanted in their numbers.

  14. Chance

    @ Randi,

    When many biracials become adults they do know that whites instituted the one drop rule. Many even learn it as teenagers. It is not always about joining the white race or remaining in the black one. Let there be a third category created called multiracial or mixed race that will solve the dispute about what ethnicity category to put mixed race, biracial, and MGM type people in.

    Let my people go!!!!

  15. Randi

    You don’t have to tell me to let your people go…I’m down with it and full well intend to work tirelessly to make sure my black people fall in line with this movement. I can’t imagine any roadblocks as long as I keep steering them here and other mixed raced sites I’ve uncovered. However, there is an undenial positive leaning towards whites and negativity is mainly reserved for blacks. Once this crystalize for blacks I’m sure you’ll get your wish much sooner than you think. I read the essay and comments regarding biracial babies being shipped to the US from the UK and noticed how easy you were on white women as you attempt to minimize their roles in this matter. I hope you get the homecoming you so desperately crave from the white community.

  16. Chance

    @ Randi,

    The reason blacks catch more criticism from many mixed race website forums, and blogs is because blacks more so openly try to stop mixed race people from self identifying as mixed race or multiracial or creole. Blacks prefer that mixed race people self identity as black (African American). They get angry when mixed race people and biracials reject self identification as black as their only, and first identity. Blacks want mixed race people and bi racials to say they are just black. Therefore, blacks catch more criticism because they push the ODR more.

    Many whites in general keep their opinions to themselves.

    What the English (British white women did was bad they cheated on their husbands with black men and got pregnant. It was a tragedy.

  17. Randi

    Many whites in general keep their opinions to themselves.

    True, but many of them “prove” what they really think without articulating it verbally.

    I can’t tell you how much I detest it when blacks try to rope in biracials. But I’m wondering why biracials aren’t running full page ads, tv commercial and the like announcing your movement so more will join, and to put blacks on notice. Some who consider themselves coveted prizes become offended when blacks make it clear they have no problem with the establishment of a separate category. Why aren’t biracials “openly” lobbying and opposing any civil rights group they believe is standing in their way? It’s imperative that you become more vocal about your movement. I guarantee those walls will come tumbling down. Have you considered enlisting blacks to get the message out to those in my community? I’m developing a site aimed at assisting you in this endeavor so neither group has to concern itself about the other going forward.

    What blacks hate more than anything is the idea that biracials seem to believe they’re entitled to hold sway and have influence with blacks when it’s to their convenience. Once the split is formalized a new conscious will emerge. The disgust and hostility emanating from biracials towards blacks makes it easy for me personally to view you as having no ties to us whatsoever. And I’m hoping to transfer this sentiment to other blacks who are currently unaware of your turmoil. It has nothing to do with returning the hate, but I’d like to see this era relegated to “history”.

    Many of you have the same attitude as foreign immigrants towards blacks as far as I’m concerned. Please read this article by an Arab woman describing what blacks have known/felt all along:

    http://seeingblack.com/2003/x022803/arabs.shtml

    Like countless immigrant communities before 9-11, many Arab Americans freely participated in covert and overt acts of racism against African Americans. This is no secret to Black people who already know that Arab Americans have the same type of superiority complex that European Americans do. This superiority complex is not only evident in the way we act toward Black people but in the way we choose to disassociate ourselves from their community.

    BTW did you read “Secret Daughter”? If you have then should know whites have long used blacks as a dumping ground for offspring they were uncomfortable with. I know a biracial woman raised by a prominent black family who is the result of a one night stand. The family didn’t know it at the time since she is not as white in appearance as you’d prefer. Hopefully this will provide some insight into why blacks have been more accepting of biracials but this definitely needs to change, the sooner the better.

  18. Cee Cee

    I have a question…do mixed people want to create their own race because they feel blacks are forcing them to say they’re black(which I9 don’t agree) or is it because you feel a bit confused about who you are or what you are for that matter? You feel you have no place with us folks who aren’t mixed?

  19. Randi

    Cee Cee, I feel many of them subscribe to a caste system and want black “men” (primarily) to procreate with white women. After that they do not want black men or women to mingle with the product they helped to create otherwise they might sacrifice that much coveted and precious “phenotype”. I’ve heard some say they should pool their resources and purchase their own island etc etc. Many of them feel being labeled black holds them down socially and they can avail themselves to more white privileges if it weren’t for that dreaded one drop rule that some blacks (and whites too although they are loathe to admit it) keep reminding them of. You can’t legislate people’s perceptions though, but that won’t be our problem. There’s strength in numbers which is why they do not mind black men mounting white women to boost their population. I’m pleased to see them agitating for a different category and agree it’s better for both our communities. This way if you face any racism or discrimination it’ll be far easier to litigate if ever necessary.

  20. Lisa

    Randi, you sound like you’re hurting… and you are also OBVIOUSLY very interested in Mixed-Race people. Why?

    btw, what is wrong with Mixed-Race people being called… well, Mixed-Race? (duh)

  21. Chance

    # Lisa Wrote:
    Monday, February 25, 2008 at 9:40 am –

    Randi, you sound like you’re hurting… and you are also OBVIOUSLY very interested in Mixed-Race people. Why?

    btw, what is wrong with Mixed-Race people being called… well, Mixed-Race? (duh)

    @ Lisa,

    That is what I thought too earlier. Randi sounds very angry just like Cee Cee sounds very angry. Randi may be one of these people who are involved with and study mixed race issues but feels rejected by certain mixed race people. The impression I get is — that Randi has a deep dislike of biracials (FGM) especially. There are certain MGM (multi generational mix (mulattoes)) who also feel the same way many bi racials feel. .

    Randi is possibly jealous of of bi racials because they can at least have semi freedom from the ODR by saying they are bi racial. Randi feel he/she is just left being African American with no way out of ODR.
    There are certain MGM people who have phenotypes that are mixed race and reject the ODR too. Some MGM mulattoes look more mixed race than some bi racials. Black people have a right to to gather among their own and praise their people, why can’t mixed race people be proud of who they are, and do the same.

    It is Okay for biracails (Fgm0 and Mgm type people to identify as African American or white or what ever they are mixed with if it is advantageous for them also. Mulattoes helped blacks progress so FGM and MGM type people have a right to receive all kinds of benefits and even help from African Americans. African Americans will just be paying back what service mulattoes of the past gave them educationally, economically, politically, intellectually, etc etc..

  22. Cee Cee

    Ok people…nobody here in this forum is important enough to make me angry. So please cut it out. All I was asking was a simple question. Why do mixed people feel they need to create a “mixed race?” Thats all.

  23. Cee Cee

    What is your purpose?

  24. Chance

    The purpose has been stated man time before.

  25. Randi

    Randi, you sound like you’re hurting… and you are also OBVIOUSLY very interested in Mixed-Race people. Why?

    btw, what is wrong with Mixed-Race people being called… well, Mixed-Race? (duh)

    Lisa, reading is really fundamental! I’ve stated my purpose in studying biracials and never once have I said you’re tainted. My goal is to nudge any blacks along who would dare try to “claim” you as black. It’s wrong! Anyone with a modicum of intelligence or pride will shut down and back away from insisting on this one drop rule once they truly have understand the mulatto mindset. My goal is to help assist your people and blacks on down the road towards the final separation. Capisch!

  26. Randi

    @Chance,
    Were you subjected to attitudes like this during your upbringing? I’m seeking the origins of your mindset. I bet you’re quite familiar with Zack aka TheMulattoKid (the poster child for mulattos). I have a feeling his mother is similar to the wretch who spawned Leo Felton.

    http://www.clubmom.com/jforum/posts/list/0/180523.page

    There is this woman I know who met a Black man, she is White. She got preg after knowing him for couple months. While she was pregnant she made racist remarks about Black people because the father didn’t want her anymore.

    When the child was born, she did things like get arrested for drunk driving with the baby in the car, abuse the child etc. She hurled racist names to the Black officers just like she does when in road rage. I feel so sorry for her child. She claims her child is not Black, her child is not a “n”. I am sorry for child. Black and White biracial kids are Black, like it or not. This is what makes up Black people in general, all kinds of backgrounds. Biracial is a term. A lot of White mothers can’t deal with that concept, and she is one of them but for deeper racist reasons. Why do some women have babies with men of other races if they don’t like or respect that race? Its hard already for a biracial child, it must be torture to have a mother like her. Child services don’t seem to care either because she makes a lot of money, she has doctors that say its…. Post Partum Depression. I hate it when the wrong peole use that for excuses.

    BTW, after all that, calling the father and his family “n”, hating Black people and getting in trouble with the law, she is now pregnant again from a one night union with the same guy “because she was lonely one night”. I blame him too, he has no pride. So sad.

  27. vw

    @ CeeCee: You asked, “Why do mixed people feel they need to create a “mixed race?”

    This question is just so foolish…
    Now pay attention, CeeCee: Mixed-Race people have ALREADY been created. ok? Mixed-Raced people are just acknowledging their right to identify as such. Again, if you’re Mixed-Race, you should be able to identify as Mixed-Race, with or without your approval.

    @ Randi, perhaps you should just go stalk the American Indians or some other group?

  28. Lisa

    My dear Chancellor, you are absolutely right. I think a lot of the anger in the posts from Randi and CeeCee stems from either a bit of self-hatred or perhaps just plain jealousy of the bi-racial phenotype.

    In any event, it’s people like them that make me even more proud of my biracial heritage!

  29. Randi

    Lisa, you should be proud of whatever you are. I’m out to prove that you’re irrelevant to the black community and want to raise the awareness of other blacks on certain issues where your group is concerned. Too many allow themselves to be used by people like you never knowing just how much hate is festering just beneath the surface. You can run that tired ‘ole line about “jealousy” but blacks and whites alike take pity on your confused lot. But that’s your problem. Do you resent blacks who want to assist you with you goal? This is actually something both sides can truly benefit from.

    Did you read about that woman snorting coke off her biracial baby’s stomach? I doubt if she would have done that to he white kid. Then again who knows.

  30. Chance

    @ Randi,

    A woman on drugs is subject to do anything crazy. Many women from all racial groups do crazy things when on drugs. This is a known fact. If go to the ghettoes, urban, rural, trail parks, and suburbs you will find women of all ethnic backgrounds doing crazy things for drugs and even neglecting their children. If the woman who was snorting coke off her babies stomach is white well she would have done it to a white baby too. Black women are notorious for mistreating their kids whether on drugs or not. Many Hispanic women have problems with drugs, and women from all ethnic groups as well as men do crazy thing to their families while on drugs.

    Leo Felton was simply a victim of the ODR; he had a white phenotype but was told he was black. He then went to prison and hung out with blacks but the black inmates tried to rape him. So he joined the whites in the prison and this is what lead to him becoming a racist. Had there been a third category and Leo been seen as mixed race this tragedy could have been avoided. The tragedy of him becoming a racist.

  31. Cee Cee

    @ Lisa and others… Anyone who thinks that someone is jealous of their biracial phenotype is way too full of themselves. Perhaps this is way you are are obessing over creating your own group or whatever. You all have a right to call yourselves whatever you want. I do not feel that people should be forced to claim a particular racial group if they do not want to, however don’t use this new racial group as a way to deny a particular race that you are made up of. So many people tend to do that and then when someone calls them lets say nigger, they act all surprised.

  32. Chance


    Cee Cee,

    Many mixed race people admit they are mixed with this or that race. On top of that there are mixed race people who are mixed with black and show no visible signs of black ancestry so they don’t get called Nigger.

    Many blacks call their own people nigger with the intent of hate so what’s new? Thank you for wanting to help mixed race MGM and FGM (bi racials) be seen as separate from blacks by way of identity. Now live your life and stop worrying about why some one did this or don’t want to claim that.

  33. Cee Cee

    Ok, I can see that I am getting under some peoples skin, so lets get back to the subject.

    “They feel that the African American ethnic group is made up of mixed race people who are part black mixed with white, or part black mixed with other ethnic groups. And, they feel that the black American race is made up of monoracial blacks.”

    Is this really what some people think the difference between “Black American” and “African American” is? I really did not know this. I’ve seen this subject before on other sites and everyone, along, with myself thought that, Black folks who were born and raised in this country were a little upset that they were being classified as African American, where as white folks were just simply referred to as “American.” So in turn, because they’re not from Africa, but rather from America, they should be referred to as simply American or Black American because their race is black. I have never heard of African American being a ethnic group of a mixed race of people. Where did people get that idea from?

  34. Melody

    “Now live your life and stop worrying about why some one did this or don’t want to claim that.”

    Chance, you really need to take your own advice and stop worrying about blacks so much. 90% of all mulatto sites are filled with negative topics regarding blacks to justify your reasons to distance yourselves. Yet you’re obviously overprotective and sensitive when it comes to whites. Any blacks with an affinity for people such as yourself should really take heed and stop the madness. It’s fantastic word is finally leaking out.

    Leo Felton was a racist long before he went to prison and hopefully that’s where he’ll die for trying to blow up a Jewish museum and having BLACKS blamed for it. I’m sure he’s an icon to mulattos and I suspect many more of his ilk thrive in your midst. Black people need to wake up to this army are racists they gleefully creating.

  35. Chance

    Melody,

    Whites catch less criticism from mixed race people because they seldom say anything to you — when you self identify as mixed race or what ever you self identify as – even if they disagree. Blacks are the ones who push the ODR more publicly, and try to intimidate you into identifying as black and nothing else but black only. So blacks are more of a problem than whites.

  36. Melody

    Chance,

    Most of the topics have nothing whatsoever to do with calling blacks out for adhering to ODR; you’re flat out wearing your hatred for blacks for all the world to see. Which is good as far as I’m concerned. Some white bloggers know it too. I print and distribute lots of information I come across but I, too, want blacks to embrace this distancing and make it permanent. It angers me when you are one-dropped and I want to stamp it out. But mixed people have to live up to their end of the bargain and quit accepting any and all offers for black-oriented projects and venues. Many of you expect black support when it’s to your benefit. I find it extremely galling that you want it “both” ways but soon you won’t have the luxury of choosing at least I’m hoping. I’m going to challenge blacks to really examine this one drop rule business. Maybe you can revive the Blue Vein Society which will certainly turn lots of people off once the media enters the fray. The transition won’t be that difficult if you are militant enough. You’ll see. I wish like hell that more of you could “pass” just to ease this burden of black blood.

  37. Cee Cee

    @ CHANCE
    I would agree that blacks tend to more vocal about this issue, just like blacks were quick to say Tiger Woods doesn’t think he’s black. I am Black and I totally disagree. However, because whites don’t publicly push the ODR MYTH, doesn’t mean they don’t think it. How many white people will not accept biracial children into their families soley because they see them as black? White folks did not want to accept Tiger Woods in golf, not because he was half asian, but because they saw him as black. So I wouldn’t make a statement like “So blacks are more of a problem than whites.” White folks WILL become more vocal about this as soon as someone who is mixed with black tries to step into what they think is “their world.” Tiger was a perfect example and there are plenty of mixed people who go through that on a day to day basis with white folks. You just don’t hear of it that often, but it occurs all too often.

  38. Melody

    (“So blacks are more of a problem than whites.” White folks WILL become more vocal about this as soon as someone who is mixed with black tries to step into what they think is “their world.” Tiger was a perfect example and there are plenty of mixed people who go through that on a day to day basis with white folks. You just don’t hear of it that often, but it occurs all too often.)

    He’s more comfortable attacking blacks as opposed to whites. Everybody knows this is their M.O. Once they are in a different category I expect white folks to come out with a vengence trying to remind them they are not white. Whites will also view them as treacherous (not for switching categories) but for biting the hand that fed them. I know of countless instances where mulattos sought refuge with blacks, and Chance knows of it too.

  39. Curious

    @ Melody: Exactly where are these alleged Mulatto sites that are filled with negative topics regarding blacks? Kindly list a few (if you can)…

  40. Aja

    To curious..

    Curious Wrote:
    Wednesday, February 27, 2008 at 2:40 pm –
    @ Melody: Exactly where are these alleged Mulatto sites that are filled with negative topics regarding blacks? Kindly list a few (if you can)…

    to curious is is one site that does exactly that

  41. Curious

    To: Melody & Aja

    I knew you couldn’t name the alleged “Mulatto sites that are filled with negative topics regarding blacks”. 😉

    To: vw

    LOLOL @ “go stalk the American Indians or some other group”. TOO FUNNY! 😆

  42. Mulatto Queen

    Hey Chance (with your fine self!)

    It seems as though there are those who are absolutely OBSESSED with LSGH folks. Why is that? I just don’t get it: Why are some blacks so interested in what mixed race people are doing?

  43. Aja

    Curious Wrote:
    Wednesday, February 27, 2008 at 8:06 pm –
    To: Melody & Aja

    I knew you couldn’t name the alleged “Mulatto sites that are filled with negative topics regarding blacks”.

    To: vw

    LOLOL @ “go stalk the American Indians or some other group”. TOO FUNNY!

    Mulatto Queen Wrote:
    Wednesday, February 27, 2008 at 8:46 pm –
    Hey Chance (with your fine self!)

    It seems as though there are those who are absolutely OBSESSED with LSGH folks. Why is that? I just don’t get it: Why are some blacks so interested in what mixed race people are doing?

    To Mulatto and Melody.
    Please dont flattered yourself that am obsessed with mix people. i came across this site by accident. and also do not think we African not African american think that you are black. we when refer to you guys as white go figure. The problem i have with some of this people on this site is their ignorant comment with regard to the black race. i have some of the comments and some of the things written by Chance on this site. i feel really dispirited that most mix people have this feeling about one group that one of their parent belong to. In the UK mix people are not seen as blacks the by the black community.

    The fact that Chance is writing racist bigotry about Black people some i could quote you on is really sad. i alway thought that mix would bridge the racist gap between white and blacks, wrong again, instead you guys are just as racist against blacks like the other group.

    Like i said early am all for seperating mix people from balck people. i hope quest and your goal is realise.

  44. Chance

    Aja,

    This site does not subscribe to the paper bag test like you and some others believe. No one is hating one part of their ancestry and admiring the other. I am dealing with informing people about the one drop rule and how racist it is. Mixed race issues is just one of many issues that are written about at this blog.. If you feel this blog is subscribing to th paper bag test well that is on you and those who feel that way.

  45. Chance

    Melody,

    I don’t hate blacks like you think, you are very wrong and many of my disagreements with African Americans have their origins in my dislike of blacks who push and enforce the ODR.
    Who are these so called certain white bloggers who you view me as a racist? I might be saying the things that they wish they could say but because they are white they are afraid. Also Melody help us fight against the ODR anyway you can but do it in a positive manner..

  46. Randi

    @ Melody: Exactly where are these alleged Mulatto sites that are filled with negative topics regarding blacks? Kindly list a few (if you can)…

    @Melody, do NOT do anything to accommodate those who view you as their mortal enemies. Pass it along to blacks so they can see for themselves. If it leaks out to mulattos then so be it. This site is a prime example of mulattos haters. Spread the word far and wide.

  47. Joseph

    Melody and Randi,

    Apparently you two love to browse Mulatto sites. I’m wondering, would YOU try to get involved in caucasian sites, or asian sites when they discuss the issues of their people? I remember when I was a kid crying because some black chick called me white. Being mulatto, I do not care to integrate into the white or black race. I am an American though and prefer to be identified as such.

    “I wish like hell that more of you could “pass” just to ease this burden of black blood.”

    This shows me that you are clearly bothered by Mulattoes. We are who we are and we are not you.

  48. Melody

    @Joseph, all AD Powell talks about is not being the recipient of white privilege and how blacks have outed those of you who “pass”. I’m here cause most of the topics are about trashing blacks and admiring whites or have you not noticed? This is why I cruise your sites to gather info that blacks can use to help with distancing. Plenty of you push up in black affairs so what’s the difference?

  49. Melody

    Also Melody help us fight against the ODR anyway you can but do it in a positive manner..

    Chance, the best thing you can do is give it to blacks ‘raw’. It’s glaringly obvious what you are by reading your topics. I don’t care about those who hate my people…my mission is to raise awareness because some blacks do not want to admit it.

  50. Joseph

    Melody,

    You say: “I’m here cause most of the topics are about trashing blacks and admiring whites or have you not noticed?”

    No I have not noticed this. I find it funny that you see admiration of whites and a disdain for blacks here. Maybe it’s the case, but I do not think so. I think maybe the problem you have is with Mulattoes.

    “This is why I cruise your sites to gather info that blacks can use to help with distancing.”

    If blacks wish to distance themselves that is their perrogative. I think it is ignorant, but I personally think people should work together for the betterment of themselves. Just because Mulattoes wish to rightfully identify as such does not mean they wish to alienate themselves from the black race, OR any other race for that matter. You may wish for Mulattoes to identify as black, AND some DO!! That may please you, but you know they are not black because they have more than one distinct lineage, more than the one YOU wish them to soley acknowledge.

    “Plenty of you push up in black affairs so what’s the difference?”

    The black community and the Mulatto community have a shared history. We have both been slaves, and believe it or not, there have even been white slaves in America. We were forced to identify with the black community by white people many years ago and many Mulattoes have worked for the civil rights of blacks and others.

  51. Randi

    The cat is out of the bag and you can deny all you want that Chance is promoting anti-black sentiments on this site to further support your cause. It’s actually a recurring theme on the vast majority of Mulatto sites and you’re obviously in agreement and consider it normal. I often think about your black parent and wonder if they have an inkling of what burns in the hearts of their offspring. No one is trying to keep you in the fold but there’s nothing wrong in recognizing the skulking racists that you are. There’s no reason for blacks to mourn you and I’m they won’t once it’s all laid bare. I wouldn’t want to be in your black parent’s shoes for nothing in the world. You do serve one purpose tho, and that is to wake black folks the hell up and I do thank you for it!

  52. james shelton

    To Joseph. you have completely misunderstood melody point. He/she is merely saying that mix race people have the right to chose the race they belong to as thet see fit. and voicing the fact that they that to him/she she dont consider mix people as black People to begin.

    What Melody is angry about is the use od racist comment and negative stereotype as a reason for doing so.

    Joseph have you taken the time to read some of Chances articles and comment, and other bloggers comments, you will that this site comes across as purpose built to dehumanised blacks whilst promoting mix race identify..

    All of Chance’s articles feeds on negative stereotypes about blacks and africans and at the same time promote but white and mix race superiority over blacks.

    please take the time to read Chance’s article. for example, Black crime, iq level, affirmative actions, black parenting skill, the spread of hiv amongs african/blacks. And after reading this article, you will see why Melody and others are certain that Chances action is to promote inequality, just racist and division.

    just like you am of mix heritage but not mulatto, (african and indian. As a black it angers me to read some of the mix race blogger views, and chansces article.

    if you believe truely what you said in your response to melody, after reading you could come to the same conclusion. which would be that Chance is right about promoting mix white heritage, but the matter he chooses to do so is completely. this is not the kind of messages that anyone spreading.

    i hope you agree with me. Melody is very disapointed which is completely justify. think about that.

  53. james shelton

    Am so tired of writing response to chance that my grammer is wrong. please excuse the mistakes

  54. Vanessa

    @ Joseph,

    I was thinking the same thing: Melody and Randi et al., definitely LOVE to browse the Mulatto sites/blogs!

    Perhaps their interest (nay, obsession) with the Mulatto sites would be put to better use if they spent their time (stalked) the numerous ebony/black/chocolate sites.

    Their writings have now definitely solidified my opinions.

    Yes, Joseph, I agree 100%: “We are who we are and we are not you!”

    – Proud Mulatto 😀

  55. Mon amie

    Chance,

    I think it’s time for us to use our secret Mulatto “code” to go to our secret Mulatto site

  56. james shelton

    Vanessa Wrote:
    Thursday, February 28, 2008 at 9:20 pm –
    @ Joseph,

    I was thinking the same thing: Melody and Randi et al., definitely LOVE to browse the Mulatto sites/blogs!

    Perhaps their interest (nay, obsession) with the Mulatto sites would be put to better use if they spent their time (stalked) the numerous ebony/black/chocolate sites.

    Their writings have now definitely solidified my opinions.

    Yes, Joseph, I agree 100%: “We are who we are and we are not you!”

    – Proud Mulatto

    Mon amie Wrote:
    Thursday, February 28, 2008 at 9:40 pm –
    Chance,

    I think it’s time for us to use our secret Mulatto “code” to go to our secret Mulatto site…

    TO Mon amie and Vanessa

    Dont be stupid. you both sound like idiots. comments like your are unacceptable.

    stop this nonsense.

  57. Chance

    James shelton wrote: All of Chance’s articles feeds on negative stereotypes about blacks and africans and at the same time promote but white and mix race superiority over blacks.
    please take the time to read Chance’s article. for example, Black crime, iq level, affirmative actions, black parenting skill, the spread of hiv amongs african/blacks. And after reading this article, you will see why Melody and others are certain that Chances action is to promote inequality, just racist and division.
    just like you am of mix heritage but not mulatto, (african and indian. As a black it angers me to read some of the mix race blogger views, and chansces article.

    My response: The articles about crime, IQ, stereotypes, and affirmative action are very good articles and are based up on known facts. All you keep wasting time with is talking about how racist I am, and really I am not. On top of that may dark skin and caramel brown blacks hate blacks, and say many bad things about in daily life on blogs, websites, and forums about blacks.

    Many blacks also believe and follow the same stereotypes negative stereotypes about blacks that other racial groups follow and believe.

  58. james shelton

    To chance

    Just because certain members of the black community looks the same negative stereotypes about other ethnic minorities or races, does not justify it. i cant believe you just say.

    you are an obviously an intelligent and educated man, and to say some thing like that is just wrong. Justing you action because other are doing so. do you know are stupid that sounds.

    Just because certain member of the White community published review about certain issue does not make them right. some of their claim like iq has not solid evidence or scientific envidence to back there claim.

    there is no need quoting people, i want to hear what your view are with respect to the topic discussed in your site. all you do is quote people.

    it such a shame, because i feel like you have certain gift to influence people.

    i dont know why am continue conversing with you, but i suppose the reason is because i like to see the good in people. and i like to educate and try to influence people through my action and words. Most of all i like to fight any form of injustice, racism, etc

  59. Denise

    Some of these comments are out of hatred and not fact.I know that I made some comments displaying my fustration, but I backed it up with facts that can be supported by research and sociology theories and my life experiences. THIS IS A BLOG AND THAT ONLY. There are so many other things in the world to be radical about such as, The war, youth crime, drug abuse, the struggling economy, and education. Yes mullatos were a part of the civil rights struggle, but so were whites. LSGH(light skinned good hair), first of all I know some mullatos with the most kinky hair, to my knowledge good hair is hair without split ends and damage.This is not 1920, so abandon the comb test mentality.

    There is a difference between being proud of your biracial roots and being anal about it. Some of the comments I read on here, can easily be copied and pasted to a white supremacist blog site and receive positive feedback.

    Blacks are not your enemy, blacks are just the scapegoat for some of your anger. I am a mullato that identify more with the black community, and I have the right to do so. There are some mullatos who identify more with the white community, so what. If you want to identify with blue people from Mars, so what. People identify with who they are surrounded by, but the issue is to respect people regardless of what race they identify with. If a biracial person choose to accept the one drop rule, let them, just as long as they do not bring upon harm to anyone; the same thing applies to mullatos who want to be identified as mixed race. Freedom is in the spirit, no one can force you to be a slave to anything in the spirit, that is how people of color have survived for centuries.

  60. Janelle

    You are obviously not aware, james shelton, but there are private sites and blogs just for Mixed-Race people. There are also blogs and sites where you have to upload your photo first.

    There is also much more that I will not go into on here…

  61. proud black man

    @ Denise..,

    well said…, do you have a blog.

  62. jones

    Leo Felton was simply a victim of the ODR; he had a white phenotype but was told he was black. He then went to prison and hung out with blacks but the black inmates tried to rape him. So he joined the whites in the prison and this is what lead to him becoming a racist. Had there been a third category and Leo been seen as mixed race this tragedy could have been avoided. The tragedy of him becoming a racist.

    Either way the situation is still fucked up.

  63. seb

    A little history about Felton.

    One afternoon when Felton was 10, he was fooling around in his driveway, and he got into an argument with a white boy named John, who lived down the block, and Cory, a black friend John had brought home from school.
    It started out as an ordinary quarrel, the kind that Felton got into every day. Someone would say something about his mother or father, and Leo would tell him to shut up. Maybe it would end with a couple of punches being thrown. But this fight was different: John called Leo a ”half breed,” and Leo flew into a rage. He took off after John with a buck knife that he grabbed from his tackle box and chased him all over the neighbourhood, screaming at the top of his lungs that he was going to kill him.
    His mother was horrified and quickly reached the conclusion that her son was mentally ill. Leo’s mother had him committed, at the age of 10, to the Psychiatric Institute of Washington.
    The story of Felton’s institutionalization, as described in the court psychologist’s report, is a disturbing one. He spent most of the next four years in various hospitals and residential homes. According to Leo, after a few months, each institution tried to discharge him, but each time his mother was able to convince the people in charge that Leo needed to stay, sometimes over the objections of his father. When state school administrators concluded that Felton did not need further residential treatment, his mother hired an attorney, sued and got the decision reversed.
    Though Felton and his father say he did not have any serious psychological problems before he went into these institutions, by the time he came out, at the age of 14, he was angry, confused and antisocial
    Leo Felton has spent many years devoted to the idea of racial separation, to the belief that Americans should be divided by the color of their skin. He believed he is ” 1/4 English and 3/4 Italian.
    Leo Felton was part of a long tradition of men and women who have chosen to move themselves across racial lines, whether out of self-improvement, self-denial, self-deception or simple confusion. The questions of identity he has wrestled with are fundamental to the history, literature and politics of race in the United States.
    This is a man whose experience was nothing mixed or black or multicultural. Therefore the idea of white culture became symbolic to me, which he mythologized it. This actions has nothing what so ever to do with the sexual advances made by his fellow black inmates.
    It is something of a paradox that the most coherent intellectual support for Felton’s decision to pass as white comes not from fascists like Yockey but from liberal African-American intellectuals like Kennedy, who concludes his chapter on passing by arguing that ”a well-ordered multiracial society ought to allow its members free entry into and exit from racial categories, even if the choices they make clash with traditional understandings of who is ‘black’ and who is ‘white,’ and even if, despite making such choices in good faith, individuals mislead observers who rely on conventional racial signalling.”
    You really should read up before some of you come comment.

  64. jones

    Hey Seb I agree. Leo was 1/4 black and 3/4ths white raised by a white woman who later became a lesbian when he was growing up. Not to mention an absentee black father. Who doesn’t have one of those fathers? I am black and I don’t care what anyone identifies themselves as. Society sees us all as black people. Whites will let you know you are black when they arrest you and stop you on the side of the road for no reason other than racial profiling.

  65. jones

    Oh yeah and his parents were both into the civil rights movement and his mother was a former nun.

  66. Joseph

    Jones,

    That’s an easy way to simply except what the white man tells you. “Oh, to the white man we’re this so we must except it.” That’s what you are saying Jones. If this is the case than I would not be suprised for your support of the One Drop Rule because the white man says a mulatto is just another black man. The mulatto was not just another black man before than the white man changed his mind and than the blacks went along with it.

  67. Denise

    @61 proud black man

    I don’t have a blog, but thanks for the complement. I am just a person who believes that words are a weapon against destruction and a healer of those destructed.

  68. Denise

    I was on Rashid Muhammad’s Blog just a while ago, very interesting, good job Muhammad.

  69. jones

    What I am saying Joesph is society will let u know who and what you are no matter what you identify as. Yes you should be allowed to identify as whatever you want to. In the case of Leo Felton, He saw himself as white because all he knew was being white. If he had been raised knowing about both sides he would have accepted both but he wasn’t. If he was he would not have been a Neo Nazi for the time he was. What with all this hatred of black people. Its sad . Maybe those around you made u choose but I don’t do that to people.

  70. cheechee

    this whole thing is totally rediculous at the end everybody will be the same and the white population is at it’s lowest 2%. so i just don’t understand all this mess it’s just sad. who cares what the white race thinks. they don’t care about how they are veiw so why should we? the white race is becoming extinct. anyways so when that happens then it will be some new bullsh*t. it’s just pathetic.




Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s



%d bloggers like this: