Observations of Blacks, and Illegal immigrants

Saturday April 26, 2008

Observations of Blacks, and Illegal immigrants

You are a black man walking in a predominantly white neighborhood at 10:30 pm at night. A police car pulls up besides you and two officers speak with you. One ask what are you doing here. You ay you are just causal walking headed home. The Office asks do you live in this neighborhood? And you say no.

The officer says leave this neighborhood now. So you continue walking and you leave after all you where just passing through anyway. A homeless man walking in the same neighborhood and the same police officers see him they don’t bother him because he looks dirty and homeless. They view him as non threatening.

An illegal immigrant from Mexico or south & Central America walks around in various American towns and cities — and the police know this, but as long as they have not broken the laws they let them walk around.  A black man has a greater chance of being harassed by the police for walking in a white neighborhood than an illegal Latino immigrant. Even non black immigrants from other ethnic groups get harassed less than blacks.

So if black life is so devalued in its own county — and an illegal immigrant can walk freely on average what does that say about America? A group of Latino day labors can stand in front of a warehouse store or on a street corner in a middle class white neighborhood — and the majority of the times the police and people don’t bother or force them to leave. Even though the people dislike having them in their neighborhoods and customers want them gone from the store entrance.

If a group of black Americans all over the country did this in the average white neighborhood they would be asked to leave and the police would force them to leave. The black men were born here and the illegal immigrants were not. This proves that black Americans are viewed as the lower class ethnic group in America.

So blacks under these conditions where their own country has made them lower are not obligated to do certain things for America if they don’t want to. White America has made sure that even immigrants view blacks as the lower ethnic group, and this causes racial tensions between immigrants and blacks.   

If you have been sold out too some degree by your own country then to that degree you are not obligated to that country.


  1. littlebear

    The Office asks do you live in this neighborhood?

    Well i have to say i never got ask any of that
    when i walk threw a white neighborhood it does matter what time it is.I get ask this from black neighborhood than white neighborhoods.Black people looking at me like what in the hell is this person doing here,I think ligth skinned black/biracial people
    get ask this from black neighborhoods than whites.Maybe it because iam lighter skinned and with stight black hair like a latino.

  2. littlebear

    Light skin skinned black/biracial people with a latino look.

  3. zeezil

    40% of the decline in employment of black men is due to immigration. Foreign workers are taking American’s jobs and depressing wages. And while Americans from all backgrounds are being harmed, lower to middle income African American workers are being disproportionately affected.

    –Dr. Frank Morris, former Executive Director of the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation; February 2008

  4. zeezil

    Claim: “Illegal immigrants are being denied their civil rights”

    False: Civil rights pertain ONLY to citizens. The Merriam-Webster online Dictionary defines civil-rights as: “The nonpolitical rights of a citizen; especially: the rights of personal liberty guaranteed to U.S. citizens by the 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution and by acts of Congress.” If one is not a citizen of the country, civil rights do not apply.

  5. seb

    @ littlebear

    I think you have a big issue with Black people in general which is very apparent in your posts. What dont understand is this, the articles deals with how the police has a tendency to stop Black people when walking through a white neighborhood, compare to other ethnic groups. But some how you have managed to change the subject matter into biracials and blacks.

    This might come to you as a surprise, but there is very good relationship between this two group and the sooner you deal with you hatred for black, sooner you will see this. in the long run it will be better for you.

  6. seb

    @ Chance.

    This is very interesting article. The United State, is not the only country that is guilty of this. Europe is equally guilty of this.

    like i said in the earlier post, i live in the UK, so my knowledge of this, is based on what i see in the UK. For many years, figures which have shown a higher rate of stop and search of minority ethnic groups, particularly black people, have provoked much controversy, and have been seen by many as a manifestation of police racism.

    Black and muslims are 10 times more likely to be stop and search by the police, but looking different.

    Its very sad, and i am disappointed to say that this is the norm of western society, where Blacks are devalued. its a shame but that how it is.

  7. Joseph

    How do they stop muslims in Europe? They are not a race, but maybe it’s their dress that gives them off? I thought muslims in Europe dressed like any other european. Believe me though man, muslims are nuts. I remember in school some fanatic was talking to me and I could not really be telling him how the ummah sucked in all cause I did not want him to come up on me all kamikazee one day unexpected in the lobby. The imams and scholars are the worse and the people are simply their puppets since the imams do think for them, literally.

  8. Littlebear

    Blackcoonpie if you don`t like what iam saying just leave this site never bring your coon ass back.

  9. Yeah Right

    This is sooo true chance! and you know whats really funny? I live in NY and there are certain parts of my city where if black men are walking around in a predominatly white neighborhood, police officers will ask them what they are doing there or simply follow them aroung wherever they go, but white folks are moving into harlem, which is predominatly black and they’re walikg aroung like they own the place! and nobody harrasses them or asks them what they are doing there.

  10. Littlebear

    Blackcoonpie this is my experiences not your.
    This is what i have experiences in black neighborhoods your not light skinned/bireacial you`ll never experiences being light skinned/bireacial so just get over it and just be a Blackcoonpie.

    The Office asks do you live in this neighborhood?

    Well i have to say i never got ask any of that
    when i walk threw a white neighborhood it does matter what time it is.I get ask this from black neighborhood than white neighborhoods.Black people looking at me like what in the hell is this person doing here,I think ligth skinned black/biracial people
    get ask this from black neighborhoods than whites.Maybe it because iam lighter skinned and with stight black hair like a latino.

  11. seb

    @ Littlebear

    it is apparent from your post that you either see me as a Black or Mix individual. if this is the case, i am very sorry to disappoint you that i am in fact a white scottish man living in London

    Only an indvidual like yourself with narraw views of the world, would automatically come to this conclusion. Not every body (race included) have such a negative/hatred for blacks like yourself.

    i think the terminology to describe someone like myself is nigga lover, a term that have been use describe me by ignorant racist just for having a Black African spouse and mix children.

  12. seb

    @ joseph.

    you are right about Muslim not been a race, jus like christainity, muslim is a religion. One can be described as being both black and Muslim, or Muslim and Asian. My point is that Islam is not restricted to a particular race.

    I can only speak for the Europe, in particular the UK. Since both 9/11 and 7/7, the UK an increases (22%) in stop and research of Musclims youths (particularly those of south Asian origin).

    it is also true that some European Muslims dont look different from other european, but the vast majority of European Muslims look different from the average European, this is due to some Muslims choosing to dress in religious outfit which distinguished them other group. often they are discriminated against for this.

    The statement you made about Muslims being nut, is one i strongly disagree with, there are millions of Muslim whose intensions are good, and are out there fighting for a better world. Your comment is an insult to these Muslims.

  13. Joseph

    Seb

    I consider myself a muslim, but like I often do I generalize when I use the plural “muslims”. Actually the correct term is muslimeen which is the plural for muslim. Believe you me, muslimeen are nuts, many of them are not even adherents to the quran and the quran itself mentions that the majority are in the wrong anyways [see chapter 6 verse 116-117]. Do not be dupped by the flair for the devils often decorate what is wrong to make it appear nice. This is not only a muslim problem. Various people in different religions are evil. The hindus who have corrupted the varna system for instance, though I hate to use the term Hindu since the name of the religion is actually different. Many people like to call corruption of primary texts and intriduction of new one’s which supposedly expand upon these primary texts “progress” or “authiritative texts”. Hogwash! The muslimeen are nuts, they are fools, they are lost, evil, and they are among the blind leading the blind headlong into the maw of Hell and they are actually living in Hell in the here and now and it will be an everlasting inheritance in the hereafter.

  14. seb jr.

    oh please. seb is neither white, nor scottish, nor is he living in the UK.

  15. Anyone?

    This English teacher has phrased it the best I’ve seen yet:

    Tomatoes and Cheap Labor

    (CHEAP TOMATOES?)

    This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent.

    From a California school teacher…

    ‘As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

    I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

    Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

    Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I’m not talking a glass of milk and roll — but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

    I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

    I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America.
    (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

    I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them ‘Putas’ whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

    Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

    To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

    Higher insurance, medical facilities closing,higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools,overcrowding, new diseases etc. For me, I’ll pay more for tomatoes.

    We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won’t have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

    It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about ‘political correctness ‘ that we don’t have the will to do anything about it.

    If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.

    CHEAP LABOR? Isn’t that what the whole immigration issue is about?

    Business doesn’t want to pay a decent wage.

    Consumers don’t want expensive produce.

    Government will tell you Americans don’t want the jobs.

    But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase ‘cheap labor’ is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as ‘cheap labor.’

    Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an ‘earned income credit’ of up to $3,200 free.

    He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

    He qualifies for food stamps.

    He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

    His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

    He requires bilingual teachers and books.

    He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

    If they are, or become aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is at (our) taxpayers’ expense.

    He doesn’t worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

    Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

    He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

    Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

    The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

    Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people.

    THIS HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ALONG TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OR WE WILL ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE A FEW DON’T CARE.

  16. seb

    @ seb jr

    oh please. seb is neither white, nor scottish, nor is he living in the UK.

    My response:

    i wouldnt even justice that comment with a response. My guess is that you are littlebearer pretending to be someone else.

    only an idiot would come to certain conclusion without evidence to support his/her claims.

    Chance would be able to tell, by doing a little investigation about my where about.

    Until then, i suggest you keep your opinions to yourself, just because you can imagine yourself in the UK, doesnot give you the right to make judgement.

  17. Denise

    Denise says:
    @little bear
    This is a website for mullato people-meaning that we have black relatives and white relatives. When you say blackcoonpie,you are also offending part of your bloodline. People like you make women want to go on the pill. You are obviously on here to get some negative feedback so that you can feel better about yourself.
    This article is about observations of blacks and illegal immigrants, this article has nothing to do with being light skinned in black neighborhoods. You said that blacks think that you don’t belong in a black neighborhood because you look Latino; Latino is a culture not a race. You call yourself littlebear, how about littlebrain and I am quite sure that something else is little too, lol.

    Anyways, I think that all men of African descent are racially profiled.
    If you are a mullato with strong African features, you are going to be profiled as a black person, unless you specify that you are mixed race. Some mixed race guys on this blog page do not want to admit that they have been racially profiled but believe me if you have black blood in your vains, cops will follow you, and people will follow you in stores.

    Do you actually believe that a racist cop is going to say,”Hey, this guy has light skin and “good hair” he look like one of us, oh, he is no harm.” Come again.
    If a white person is a racist, he will hate a mixed race person more, because the mixed race person, or “light skinned” black, represents something that they hate the most and that is race mixing.

  18. Yeah Right

    Thank You denise

  19. Denise

    Correction: If a white person is a racist, he or she will hate a mixed race person more, because the mixed race person, or “light skinned” black, represents something that they hate the most and that is race mixing.

    I made a few typos; I was typing so fast and it was late at night, oops.

  20. Joseph

    True Denise, Latino is not a race at all, it’s like a culture. When people say that there are few blacks in baseball I’m like all these black latinos are black! Just cause they are called latino don’t mean they are not black, or not white. Carlos Delgado and Jose Reyes don’t look black all of a sudden cause they are latino? So that’s something that irks me when people will ask a mulatto, “Are you Puerto Rican, or Dominican”? I’m like damn, not all mulattoes are of spanish descent and not all of them come from PR or DR, they could be American, African, or from Europe. And yea, mulattoes will get profiled by whites cause they are NOT white. White people are against miscegenation, like my grandma is, and I am sort of against it too, even though it resulted in me and that is one of the reasons they dislike the mulattoes. Now whether it is true that white dudes love and can’t resist black females cause they were knockin them up during the slave days is open to opinion. I think it was just a free piece of ass for them and had less to do with being enthralled by black females than the prospect of sexual gratification with various women whenever you pleased if they wanted it or not since they had no rights. This was also something that mulatto communities would not get into as well. You had mulattoes mating with each other and keeping away from blacks and whites. There are some mulattoes who did have alot of mating with whites. One reason was that they had to because there was really no other choice. If you read about the Creole women of color they could not marry a slave or a white person, and the free creole men of color were fewer in number so what they did was become the concubines of white men and gained huge amounts of wealth and power as a result. My uncle is a cop and he said how the cops be killing black people, that is, with racist remarks. I guess they also kill mulattoes too cause he said they also were making racist remarks about latinos as well and when people say latino I guess they probably mean mulattoes since they generally confuse latino with them anyways.

  21. Mike

    The reason for this harrassment of Blacks in white neighboorhoods is that
    1. The particular Black walking through is not known to the people there
    so
    2. That Black is judged by a stereotype – which is reasonable since he is not known as an individual
    3. Very much violent crime comes from Blacks, so the person is seen as a threat.

    Call it unfair, but until Black crime goes down this is how it will be.

    I’ll bet the Black stranger’s experience walking through a White neigboorhood is different, at least somewhat, if that Black man is older, dresses well, and presents himself in general as part of American society and not an outlaw.

    The Black jury letting OJ off made a statement – Blacks defend Black criminals no matter what, as a matter of racial pride. Whites haven’t forgotten that.

  22. Yeah Right

    @ Mike…

    Okay, so the white folks that walk through a predominatly black neighborhood (lets say Harlem) don’t get harrassed by the cops. They’re outsiders in the particular neighborhood, so why are they allowed to breeze through black and latino neighborhoods with no problem? Oh I forgot, they’re white so the rules don’t apply to them. Is that what it is?

  23. Mike

    @Yeah Right,
    Of course Whites must be held to rules. And Whites who are dressed a certain way may also attract attention. And many Whites in poor Black neighboorhodds may also be suspect by the cops as being there to buy drugs.

    But the main difference is that a whole segment of Blacks in America consider their main identity as Black, not American and consider themselves hostile to “Amerikkka”. So Whites have grounds for suspicion. I know, I live in a mixed neigboorhood and I deal with these issues personally all the time. This is beyond the racism of Jim Crow. Blacks who show they want to be law abiding Americans will by and large be treated fairly, at least most of the time. But as long as Black culture is percieved as a grievance culture and angry at America, Whites will have legitimate cause for concern. And as long as Blacks are not publically seen as critical of their own criminals, Whites will have legitimate cause for anger.




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